1billsfan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Yeah because it's a highly unlikely a new regime would trade away a QB whom they have no ties too, especially after signing 3 from the outside, whom they've made clear EJ has no advantage over any of them. And a team that traded the DRoY runner up from the same class as EJ, is of course not interested in trading picks from that class. And of course no other team would trade for EJ, in spite of the fact that other recent 1st round disappointment Gabbert, Brady Quinn, and Jason Campbell were all traded by the team that drafted them. Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. The young Whaley is poised to becoming considered one of the best GMs in the league. The one thing that would demolish that more than anything would be if he traded Manuel after only two years and Manuel became a stud starting QB for someone else. There is no recovering from that unless the Bills found their own stud QB along the way. Whaley wants to see what Manuel does this year before he will move on. Rex and Roman no doubt knew the deal before they came here. The whispered reports of his demise are probably meant to let EJ know his developmental time is coming to a close and also to fire EJ up to the max and see if that helps push him over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. The young Whaley is poised to becoming considered one of the best GMs in the league. The one thing that would demolish that more than anything would be if he traded Manuel after only two years and Manuel became a stud starting QB for someone else. There is no recovering from that unless the Bills found their own stud QB along the way. Whaley wants to see what Manuel does this year before he will move on. Rex and Roman no doubt knew the deal before they came here. The whispered reports of his demise are probably meant to let EJ know his developmental time is coming to a close and also to fire EJ up to the max and see if that helps push him over the top. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known speculated that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 That's why this whole thing is so illogical. Any NFL team that hopes to contend needs 2 QB, and they would prefer them to be 2 QB who have shown the ability to play. Luck and Hasselbeck. Tannehill and Moore. There are a few teams where the QB is so eminent (and durable) that the backup doesn't really seem to matter, but that ain't us. Under this whole "kick EJ to the curb" scenario, the Bills are going to hold a fire sale (late round pick) on a former 1st round draft choice in his 13 year, because they are in "win now" mode and want to contend. OK. But that means replacing EJM, who has 14 games saying he can play in the NFL at a level similar to a number of young QB, with two guys who have yet to show they can play in the NFL (Taylor and Simms). So to be in Win-Now mode, we're supposed to do something that makes no sense for a contending team. I think they were running with the idea that if Tyrod was trusted to back up Flacco on a team built to win he could do the same here, but who knows. This time of year they have to find something to talk about that gets people to call in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 speculate this Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known speculated that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000202160/Doug-Whaley-s-vision-for-Bills-future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 speculate this Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 speculate this Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. Link? Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. Bam!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Doug Whaley wanted EJ, Marone did not. I didn't even have to click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. The young Whaley is poised to becoming considered one of the best GMs in the league. The one thing that would demolish that more than anything would be if he traded Manuel after only two years and Manuel became a stud starting QB for someone else. There is no recovering from that unless the Bills found their own stud QB along the way. Whaley wants to see what Manuel does this year before he will move on. Rex and Roman no doubt knew the deal before they came here. The whispered reports of his demise are probably meant to let EJ know his developmental time is coming to a close and also to fire EJ up to the max and see if that helps push him over the top. He made it very clear its an open competition and everyone gets an equal shot. He already traded kiko, whose performance thus far projects much better than EJ's. This is also as much about what rex and roman want as anyone else. The off season moves show Rex's strong influence. Edited May 30, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 He made it very clear its an open competition and everyone gets an equal shot. He already traded kiko, whose performance thus far projects much better than EJ's. This is also as much about what rex and roman want as anyone else. The off season moves show Rex's strong influence. What are you rambling about? Kiko got traded for an all pro rb, is coming off a major injury, and playing a position that is much easier to replace. Trading Manuel for a late round pick or cutting him is a dumb move. Especially if The Eagles want to trade for him. Kelly is a far superior judge of Qbs than Ryan. Manuel should remain on the roster this year and then decisions will be made next offseason. But trading Manuel to be left only with Cassel and Taylor would be such a Bills move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 What are you rambling about? Kiko got traded for an all pro rb, is coming off a major injury, and playing a position that is much easier to replace. Trading Manuel for a late round pick or cutting him is a dumb move. Especially if The Eagles want to trade for him. Kelly is a far superior judge of Qbs than Ryan. Manuel should remain on the roster this year and then decisions will be made next offseason. But trading Manuel to be left only with Cassel and Taylor would be such a Bills move. 7th round pick vs the gamble of possibly watching a genius like Chip Kelly quickly develop Manuel into a successful QB while the Bills still have nobody and are starting to look towards the 2016 rookie draft class. Oh sure, that 7th round pick is so darn worth that kind of gamble! There's no way that Whaley is dealing Manuel this year IMO. These guys just don't want to believe it until it's official. It should be crazy around here if Manuel is actually named the starter a couple of weeks before the season begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) 7th round pick vs the gamble of possibly watching a genius like Chip Kelly quickly develop Manuel into a successful QB while the Bills still have nobody and are starting to look towards the 2016 rookie draft class. Oh sure, that 7th round pick is so darn worth that kind of gamble! There's no way that Whaley is dealing Manuel this year IMO. These guys just don't want to believe it until it's official. It should be crazy around here if Manuel is actually named the starter a couple of weeks before the season begins. Yup. As terrible as Gabbert was, if I was the Jags, u would reconsider the trade if Harbaugh wanted him. Chip Kelly is probably the best developer of Qbs in the NFL right now. Edited May 30, 2015 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Yup. As terrible as Gabbert was, if I was the Jags, u would reconsider the trade if Harbaugh wanted him. Chip Kelly is probably the best developer of Qbs in the NFL right now. Eh, not sure you can say that. Foles had a great 2013 season but appeared to regress last season before getting injured. And Sanchez didn't look so great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Eh, not sure you can say that. Foles had a great 2013 season but appeared to regress last season before getting injured. And Sanchez didn't look so great either. Much of the talk is that the system made the QBs successful. We will have to wait and see Foles with the Rams I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Eh, not sure you can say that. Foles had a great 2013 season but appeared to regress last season before getting injured. And Sanchez didn't look so great either. IMO, Foles was maximized by Kelly. He will never come close to the qb he was in 2013. And Sanchez is pretty bad. But last year was the best season of his career. These are average at best talents that Kelly has made very productive and won 10 games with his first 2 seasons. Kelly might be a terrible GM but he is a great offensive coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 IMO, Foles was maximized by Kelly. He will never come close to the qb he was in 2013. And Sanchez is pretty bad. But last year was the best season of his career. These are average at best talents that Kelly has made very productive and won 10 games with his first 2 seasons. Kelly might be a terrible GM but he is a great offensive coach. I was going to post something like this but I see I don't have to What are you rambling about? Kiko got traded for an all pro rb, is coming off a major injury, and playing a position that is much easier to replace. Trading Manuel for a late round pick or cutting him is a dumb move. Especially if The Eagles want to trade for him. Kelly is a far superior judge of Qbs than Ryan. Manuel should remain on the roster this year and then decisions will be made next offseason. But trading Manuel to be left only with Cassel and Taylor would be such a Bills move. Not to mention that without Kiko last year, the Bills D improved significantly; Preston Brown played extremely well as a rookie and Bradham took a big step - all factors making Kiko expendable. Trading Manuel to be left with Cassel and Taylor would be a Bills move from the bad 'ol days that I hoped we left behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 IMO, Foles was maximized by Kelly. He will never come close to the qb he was in 2013. And Sanchez is pretty bad. But last year was the best season of his career. These are average at best talents that Kelly has made very productive and won 10 games with his first 2 seasons. Kelly might be a terrible GM but he is a great offensive coach. But is that developing a QB, or merely molding them for a specific system? And if Foles was "developed" as a QB then why did he regress to the point where Kelly didn't want him anymore? No, I have to disagree. I don't feel that Kelly is good at developing QBs at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Wrong, Doug Whaley has ties to EJ. It's well known that he was a big factor in the decision to draft him in the 1st round. It's also been reported that during the head coaching interview process that Whaley made sure the new head coach would be on board with developing Manuel in his important third make or break year. The young Whaley is poised to becoming considered one of the best GMs in the league. The one thing that would demolish that more than anything would be if he traded Manuel after only two years and Manuel became a stud starting QB for someone else. There is no recovering from that unless the Bills found their own stud QB along the way. Whaley wants to see what Manuel does this year before he will move on. Rex and Roman no doubt knew the deal before they came here. The whispered reports of his demise are probably meant to let EJ know his developmental time is coming to a close and also to fire EJ up to the max and see if that helps push him over the top. I think you got it. Everyone in the NFL understands that not all draft choices work out and if you give a player a shot then it's time to move on. The only place I might differ is that I'm not sure of the source or intent of the press reports. I think there might have been one or more scenarios (that didn't play out) where the Bills might have moved on from EJ, leading to some "leaks" about his demise. I also think the press was primed to fluff it into a story based on Marrone benching him and the coaching staff that was here when he was drafted being up-and-gone, since often a new coaching staff = new players. So I'm not sure there's deliberate Bills FO intent behind the press reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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