Republicans Are Dying Off

[unbillievable]

 

So basically becoming Liberals?

Conservatives don't have to do any of the things Dorkington has listed. All they have to do is to wait for those young people to mature, get a career, and start a family. The majority of his list will actually keep people enslaved to the liberal agenda even longer.

 

You don't attract more conservatives by becoming liberal, that just means they recruited you to their side.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Liberalism is inconsistent with Christianity. I've never understood how anyone can internally reconcile the two.

Jesus was a revolutionary. He was tacked up between two others revolutionaries. Jesus was a Jew and it was the conservatives that nailed him to the cross.

[Azalin]

Believe it or not Dorkington, the youth aren't nearly wanting to receive government hand out's as much as you do.

 

They are in line with liberals on most social issues, aside from the near infanticide (late-term abortions) positions that many hold such as yourself.

 

But the economic positions that the youth desire are more in line with the conservatives.

 

I try to avoid political discussions with millennials, but most that I have spoken with tend more toward libertarianism than leftist/socialist/progressive, and Austin is a very liberal city.

[unbillievable]

 

I try to avoid political discussions with millennials, but most that I have spoken with tend more toward libertarianism than leftist/socialist/progressive, and Austin is a very liberal city.

I tried having discussions with millienials (college students) and what I found is that they don't know much beyond the headlines. You try to talk details and they get confused. The really passionate ones immediately start with personal insults: "Racist, homophobe, Elitist...." rather than trying to refute the facts.

 

One even told me that my "fact" was "proven wrong" because she couldn't find it in a google search. I actually had to find the article myself and show it to her; which she then rebutted by saying that "not everything you find on the internet is true," which I found ironic since her entire ideology is based around comments she reads off social media. (She readily admitted that she rarely bothers to even click on the links to read the full article- just headlines)

[birdog1960]

 

I try to avoid political discussions with millennials, but most that I have spoken with tend more toward libertarianism than leftist/socialist/progressive, and Austin is a very liberal city.

a common theme on ppp: when all else fails, look at the data.

 

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files_new/IOPSpring15PollExecSumm.pdf

 

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/52558/20150512/millennials-demographic-trends-democrats-preferred-political-party-win-2016-presidential.htm

 

64% self categorize as liberal or moderate.

Edited May 20, 2015 by birdog1960

[Magox]

a common theme on ppp: when all else fails, look at the data.

 

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files_new/IOPSpring15PollExecSumm.pdf

 

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/52558/20150512/millennials-demographic-trends-democrats-preferred-political-party-win-2016-presidential.htm

 

64% self categorize as liberal or moderate.

 

Indeed

 

1. Millennials are more liberal than the rest of the country, particularly on social issues, but they get more economically conservative when they make more money.

 

[DC Tom]

 

Have you looked at the prospective list of Republican presidential nominees?

 

Two Latinos. A woman who ran HP. A black brain surgeon.

 

Who's the prospective list of Dem presidential nominees: a white female representing the 1% of the 1%.

 

Two white hispanics, a white woman, and a traitor to his race (because, y'know, he's Republican). As opposed to the world's first black female bisexual president. Who'll bring a fresh, new perspective to the federal government, while those 20+ years of DC experience qualify her for the job.

[Dorkington]

Believe it or not Dorkington, the youth aren't nearly wanting to receive government hand out's as much as you do.

 

They are in line with liberals on most social issues, aside from the near infanticide (late-term abortions) positions that many hold such as yourself.

 

But the economic positions that the youth desire are more in line with the conservatives.

I don't think affordable education, healthcare, and a living wage are considered handouts, personally. But I understand your point of view.

[IDBillzFan]

 

As opposed to the world's first black female bisexual president.

 

Why do I keep forgetting the Yoko Ono muffdiving expedition? That surely helps her wrap up the lesbian hipster vote.

[Dorkington]

 

I try to avoid political discussions with millennials, but most that I have spoken with tend more toward libertarianism than leftist/socialist/progressive, and Austin is a very liberal city.

I think many Liberals and Libertarians share similar social views, so that's not too surprising. Combine that with cynicism towards government, due to lobbying and general ineptitude, and Libertarianism looks even better.

[Rob's House]

I don't think affordable education, healthcare, and a living wage are considered handouts, personally. But I understand your point of view.

The framing of the issues is part of the problem. I mean, WTF is "affordable education," who is being denied it, and how do you fix it?

 

And what is a "living wage?" Who is entitled to it and why? And how do you determine what the living wage should be and how do you stop the market from correcting the skewed valuation to the dollar and nullifying the effects of the increased wage?

 

Being for these things without having answers to those questions is just an exercise in spiritual masturbation.

[birdog1960]

 

Indeed

 

perhaps many shouldn't be voting at all: "I predict that any readers over the age of 30 will absolutely love this fact about voters under the age of 29. Forty-two percent of Millennials think socialism is preferable to capitalism, but only 16 percent of Millennials could accurately define socialism in the survey." oops, did i actually write that?

 

and from the same article (just below youe reproduced quote in fact) is this:

"The youngest voting generation today is the most liberal bloc in a long, long time for three reasons.

First, they're young and poor, and young, poor people are historically more liberal. Second, they're historically non-white. Non-white Americans are historically liberal, too. Third, their white demo is historically liberal compared to older white voters, as Jon Chait has pointed out. It all adds up to one cresting blue wave. For now."

Edited May 20, 2015 by birdog1960

[Azalin]

I think many Liberals and Libertarians share similar social views, so that's not too surprising. Combine that with cynicism towards government, due to lobbying and general ineptitude, and Libertarianism looks even better.

 

I disagree wholeheartedly - Libertarians shun government involvement in nearly everything, where liberals depend on government involvement in nearly everything.

[meazza]

 

I disagree wholeheartedly - Libertarians shun government involvement in nearly everything, where liberals depend on government involvement in nearly everything.

 

Yeah but other than that they are pretty much the same.

 

Adam 2.0

[Azalin]

 

Yeah but other than that they are pretty much the same.

 

Adam 2.0

 

True. You've got me there.

[meazza]

 

True. You've got me there.

 

I have to decided to adopt the passive aggressive "both sides suck" fence sitting that Adam used to use.

 

You can't ever be wrong if you never take sides.

[DC Tom]

 

I have to decided to adopt the passive aggressive "both sides suck" fence sitting that Adam used to use.

 

You can't ever be wrong if you never take sides.

 

Though really, it's not the fence post stuck up his ass that characterized Adam. It was the passive-aggressiveness.

 

I aggressively think both sides suck...but no one ever accuses me of sitting on the fence.

[Magox]

I don't think affordable education, healthcare, and a living wage are considered handouts, personally. But I understand your point of view.

 

Everyone wants affordable healthcare, the issue is how you get there. A "living wage", well that is open to interpretation. If you are wanting to do what Los Angeles is about to do which is to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, that would be a handout. Why? Because the skill set required is not worth $15 an hour, the market dictates a much lower hourly figure. I'm not against minimum wage increases, I personally think it should be indexed to inflation but the increase that Los Angeles and Seattle are moving forward with, are indeed handouts from my POV.

[Azalin]

 

You can't ever be wrong if you never take sides.

 

Baskin would agree 100%

 

 

I aggressively think both sides suck...but no one ever accuses me of sitting on the fence.

 

A lot of people here appear to think that both sides suck, but you, me, and everyone else are always labeled as being 'far right' and engaging in 'right wing circle jerks'. Funny how lefties will automatically assume that if you disagree with them that you're a right wing extremist.

[Dorkington]

Believe it or not Dorkington, the youth aren't nearly wanting to receive government hand out's as much as you do.

 

They are in line with liberals on most social issues, aside from the near infanticide (late-term abortions) positions that many hold such as yourself.

 

But the economic positions that the youth desire are more in line with the conservatives.

 

 

 

I try to avoid political discussions with millennials, but most that I have spoken with tend more toward libertarianism than leftist/socialist/progressive, and Austin is a very liberal city.

 

 

I think many Liberals and Libertarians share similar social views, so that's not too surprising. Combine that with cynicism towards government, due to lobbying and general ineptitude, and Libertarianism looks even better.

 

 

 

I disagree wholeheartedly - Libertarians shun government involvement in nearly everything, where liberals depend on government involvement in nearly everything.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying in response to you meeting a lot of Libertarians in a Liberal city.

 

Libertarians and Liberals both dislike regulation on one's personal matters, so they share that social view. Young people are increasingly cynical of our government/current representation, which would naturally push them towards small government ideals. Combine liberal social views + government cynicism, you get libertarianism. Your experiences make sense.

 

Everyone wants affordable healthcare, the issue is how you get there. A "living wage", well that is open to interpretation. If you are wanting to do what Los Angeles is about to do which is to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, that would be a handout. Why? Because the skill set required is not worth $15 an hour, the market dictates a much lower hourly figure. I'm not against minimum wage increases, I personally think it should be indexed to inflation but the increase that Los Angeles and Seattle are moving forward with, are indeed handouts from my POV.

I agree, and I think the minimum should be set in each county, vs an unrealistically high federal wage.

 

As far as LA, I don't know what it takes out there to provide for yourself. But as I've said in another thread, I do believe places where the cost of living is high, the minimum wage should be higher. $10/hr in LA or NYC gets a lot less than $10/hr in Alabama.

 

And yes, I know the response is "Well, just move" (which I agree to disagree on)... but I just wanted to clarify that I don't think some lofty amount should be the minimum wage universally.

 

As far as healthcare goes, I support a single payer option for all legal residents.