YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Rex isn't going to panic about not having an established QB because he has never had one. He's aware they need to find one but you don't cancel all your games in the meantime. You do everything you can to increase the talent at other positions. I expect them to draft a QB in the 1st next year unless EJ or Tyrod takes them to the playoffs. Imo if Cassel is the best of the 3 and wins the job, he could go 19-0 and win a SB and they would still try to draft the QB of the future in the 1st next year. Edited May 18, 2015 by YoloinOhio
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Rex isn't going to panic about not having an established QB because he has never had one. He's aware they need to find one but you don't cancel all your games in the meantime. You do everything you can to increase the talent at other positions. I expect them to draft a QB in the 1st next year unless EJ or Tyrod takes them to the playoffs. Imo if Cassel is the best of the 3 and wins the job, he could go 19-0 and win a SB and they would still try to draft the QB of the future in the 1st next year. That's why fans should be hoping Tyrod or EJ can start showing some real progress before the year is out. I agree no one is panicking over the QBs on the team. If they were I don't think I'd want them for coaching this team.
DDD Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 The Bills are going to run the ball and play good defense. They got 9 wins with Kyle Orton. The running game should be better so we should be able to getto 10 wins with Cassell with a few breaks along the way. I don't expect Manuel to be the starter.
8-8 Forever? Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) The Bills are going to run the ball and play good defense. They got 9 wins with Kyle Orton. The running game should be better so we should be able to getto 10 wins with Cassell with a few breaks along the way. I don't expect Manuel to be the starter. Why not? He's sat most of his career, he's learned what it takes, he "gets it" now, by his own admission. He played for idiot lame duck college clowns for two years and is now finally being coached by real NFL coaches . He played behind a real NFL QB last year for the first time. For crying out loud, his college numbers were right there with other multiple year sitters like Aaron Rodgers, who also had the benefit of time to "get it". Rodgers was no more a world beater in college than EJ. EJ's not being tossed to the wolves this time. I am one of those that says, assume he sat the bench the past two years learning, now lets see what he learned. Blank slate. I think he or maybe Taylor win the job. EJ is very smart, great attitude, great learner, just like Rodgers. Cool and calm, but has some fire too. We shall see. We know what Cassell can and can't do. Tuel will be cut. Hell, Andrew Luck hasn't won anything yet either. Screw the media. They just want to anoint someone to advertise their games for them. Everyone ReeeeLaaaax Edited May 18, 2015 by 8and8Forever
Delete This Account Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 But it is a polar opposite to how they approached the position last year, wouldn't you say? Yes. Last year there was a keen sense of panic driven mostly by a head coach who had essentially given up on EJ and wanted a clear fallback position, which led to Orton's long-awaited arrival. This year, they're going to let it play out. I actually believe the Bills are better stocked at QB this year with the addition of Taylor (and I'm curious to see what he looks like behind center once media can watch practice), and I believe the coaching staff and Whaley are more in synch with how to approach the QB spot. jw
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Yes. Last year there was a keen sense of panic driven mostly by a head coach who had essentially given up on EJ and wanted a clear fallback position, which led to Orton's long-awaited arrival. This year, they're going to let it play out. I actually believe the Bills are better stocked at QB this year with the addition of Taylor (and I'm curious to see what he looks like behind center once media can watch practice), and I believe the coaching staff and Whaley are more in synch with how to approach the QB spot. jw Yup. Although I believe that gg was referring to well before the Orton issue when both Whaley and Marrone seemed to be convinced of five things before the OTAs started: 1] EJ was going to be the starter, 2] there really wasn't a solid veteran back up that wanted to come here with little chance to start, 3] there wasn't a low round pick that was going to beat out Marrone's baby Tuel for the #3 spot, 4] they really didn't want to bring in a vet anyway that would challenge EJ for the job and have him looking over his shoulder (which was very stupid in retrospect) and - 5] that Thad and Tuel showed enough in the previous season to be adequate backups because there was no reason to believe they wouldn't improve with a whole off season in the system (which proved to not only be untrue, but the both regressed, and caused the panic of the Orton acquisition. Edited May 18, 2015 by Kelly the Dog
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Yes. Last year there was a keen sense of panic driven mostly by a head coach who had essentially given up on EJ and wanted a clear fallback position, which led to Orton's long-awaited arrival. This year, they're going to let it play out. I actually believe the Bills are better stocked at QB this year with the addition of Taylor (and I'm curious to see what he looks like behind center once media can watch practice), and I believe the coaching staff and Whaley are more in synch with how to approach the QB spot. jw I think the QB position is better this year than last year also. Last year at this time Thad and Tuel were our back-ups. I really hope Tyrod or EJ take a step forward and claim the starting spot. If it's Cassel we end up using a 1st round pick on a QB in 2016. Thanks for the insight.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I think the QB position is better this year than last year also. Last year at this time Thad and Tuel were our back-ups. I really hope Tyrod or EJ take a step forward and claim the starting spot. If it's Cassel we end up using a 1st round pick on a QB in 2016. Thanks for the insight. The QB situation is far, far better right now than it was last year at this time now that we know what was the case. Cassell is far better than Thad. Taylor is far better than Tuel. EJ3 is likely better than EJ2 Rex and Roman and Palmer are far better than Marrone and Hackett and Hostler. It doesn't mean we are set or good at that position, just way better than we were.
Nanker Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Kinda puts the Tarvaris Jackson tanking to bet cut in perspective.
Dr. Who Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Why not? He's sat most of his career, he's learned what it takes, he "gets it" now, by his own admission. He played for idiot lame duck college clowns for two years and is now finally being coached by real NFL coaches . He played behind a real NFL QB last year for the first time. For crying out loud, his college numbers were right there with other multiple year sitters like Aaron Rodgers, who also had the benefit of time to "get it". Rodgers was no more a world beater in college than EJ. EJ's not being tossed to the wolves this time. I am one of those that says, assume he sat the bench the past two years learning, now lets see what he learned. Blank slate. I think he or maybe Taylor win the job. EJ is very smart, great attitude, great learner, just like Rodgers. Cool and calm, but has some fire too. We shall see. We know what Cassell can and can't do. Tuel will be cut. Hell, Andrew Luck hasn't won anything yet either. Screw the media. They just want to anoint someone to advertise their games for them. Everyone ReeeeLaaaax Good post. People won't relax, though.
GG Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Yup. Although I believe that gg was referring to well before the Orton issue when both Whaley and Marrone seemed to be convinced of five things before the OTAs started: 1] EJ was going to be the starter, 2] there really wasn't a solid veteran back up that wanted to come here with little chance to start, 3] there wasn't a low round pick that was going to beat out Marrone's baby Tuel for the #3 spot, 4] they really didn't want to bring in a vet anyway that would challenge EJ for the job and have him looking over his shoulder (which was very stupid in retrospect) and - 5] that Thad and Tuel showed enough in the previous season to be adequate backups because there was no reason to believe they wouldn't improve with a whole off season in the system (which proved to not only be untrue, but the both regressed, and caused the panic of the Orton acquisition. Yup. (And to reiterate, we'll see if it was a big mistake with regard to No. 3 above that Bills didn't add a body in the draft in arguably the deepest QB draft in a while) Edited May 18, 2015 by GG
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 18, 2015 Author Posted May 18, 2015 Kinda puts the Tarvaris Jackson tanking to bet cut in perspective. ??
RyanC883 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 When did Fitzpatrick make the Pro Bowl: never. Cassel has. Cassel also made the Pro Bowl with a weaker roster than he currently has. We all saw the shortcomings of Fitz, and Geno is worse than Manuel. We don't have a great QB situation, but I feel like we have an "average" QB situation. Panicking would be drafting Petty at #50. We can make the playoffs and perhaps SB with this team. The D should be sick, and the offense should be able to score enough points. Top to bottom, I like our roster better than any in the AFC except the Colts. (and no, I'm not drinking kool-aid. We remind me of the 2000 Ravens).
YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 When did Fitzpatrick make the Pro Bowl: never. Cassel has. Cassel also made the Pro Bowl with a weaker roster than he currently has. We all saw the shortcomings of Fitz, and Geno is worse than Manuel. We don't have a great QB situation, but I feel like we have an "average" QB situation. Panicking would be drafting Petty at #50. We can make the playoffs and perhaps SB with this team. The D should be sick, and the offense should be able to score enough points. Top to bottom, I like our roster better than any in the AFC except the Colts. (and no, I'm not drinking kool-aid. We remind me of the 2000 Ravens). fitz is brutal. Cassel has looked brutal at times too but at least has made the playoffs and had winning seasons. Has Fitz even made it more than one whole season as a starter? He's a great guy and all but he's not a starting caliber QB. Trying to decide who is better is like trying to name the valedictorian of summer school but if I have to pick one, I'll take the one that made the playoffs.
BmarvB Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 If the Jets under Ryan can accomplish back to back AFC title games with Sanchez at QB, why can't the Bills make it to the playoffs with whoever our starter is? All they have to be is competent.
8-8 Forever? Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 Good post. People won't relax, though. ha ha yes. the desire for reflected glory is strong with this group. all good. go bills. fitz is brutal. Cassel has looked brutal at times too but at least has made the playoffs and had winning seasons. Has Fitz even made it more than one whole season as a starter? He's a great guy and all but he's not a starting caliber QB. Trying to decide who is better is like trying to name the valedictorian of summer school but if I have to pick one, I'll take the one that made the playoffs. no. Fitz tore it up under Gailey with a bunch of high school WRs. But, yes he was a gunslinger and threw a bunch of picks as well. you need to go back and look at the highlights my friend... I enjoyed the Fitz and Gailey show...
YoloinOhio Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 ha ha yes. the desire for reflected glory is strong with this group. all good. go bills. no. Fitz tore it up under Gailey with a bunch of high school WRs. But, yes he was a gunslinger and threw a bunch of picks as well. you need to go back and look at the highlights my friend... I enjoyed the Fitz and Gailey show... its not the highlights that I'm referring to. And he "tore it up" until the film was available for defenses to game plan to target his weaknesses as I recall - he couldnt keep up with that. I like him as a person and he had some exciting moments but I didn't enjoy him as the Bills QB once defenses figured him out.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 19, 2015 Author Posted May 19, 2015 Yes. Last year there was a keen sense of panic driven mostly by a head coach who had essentially given up on EJ and wanted a clear fallback position, which led to Orton's long-awaited arrival. This year, they're going to let it play out. I actually believe the Bills are better stocked at QB this year with the addition of Taylor (and I'm curious to see what he looks like behind center once media can watch practice), and I believe the coaching staff and Whaley are more in synch with how to approach the QB spot. jw John, why do you think Marrone gave up on EJ and do you think Rex/Roman see him differently, if so why? I am also intrigued by Taylor.
San-O Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 I hope they panic by running the ball. + 1 I hope they get the O-line figured out somehow, and SOMEBODY steps up at OG position.
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