BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 17, 2015 Author Posted May 17, 2015 How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way. :worthy:
NoSaint Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Good point about that. Having said that, if the ball is considered to be an important piece of playing equipment and should be neutral for all parties at all games, the NFL needs to 100% control it, 100% of the time. At least game balls. And here's an idea: How about an "NFL PSI specialist" monitoring and adjusting PSI in the ball CONSTANTLY through the game. God knows there are only about 10 million stoppages in an NFL game. You could keep an eye on game ball air pressure every 5 minutes of real time if you wanted to. With 12 game balls, if your that concerned about psi it seems easy to fix -- the question is are you really that concerned about it? If guys can do whatever they want to break in a ball, is a half lbs of psi that much more extreme than scuffing it up?
The Wiz Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way. They were caught implementing perpetration f and g. Now they have moved onto perpetration h which they feel is pretty good on the whole.
Fadingpain Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 With 12 game balls, if your that concerned about psi it seems easy to fix -- the question is are you really that concerned about it? If guys can do whatever they want to break in a ball, is a half lbs of psi that much more extreme than scuffing it up? I wouldn't allow teams to "scuff" balls either. I would keep the balls under NFL control at all times, period. I don't think they need to be monitored every 5 minutes, I'm just saying they could be and that monitoring ball pressure during game conditions on the field would be remarkably easy to do. Let the QBs work with the balls they are given. Kind of how NHL teams work with the quality of the ice they are given, which on many nights in many buildings is atrocious. So what. Get on with it.
NoSaint Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I wouldn't allow teams to "scuff" balls either. I would keep the balls under NFL control at all times, period. I don't think they need to be monitored every 5 minutes, I'm just saying they could be and that monitoring ball pressure during game conditions on the field would be remarkably easy to do. Let the QBs work with the balls they are given. Kind of how NHL teams work with the quality of the ice they are given, which on many nights in many buildings is atrocious. So what. Get on with it. The flip side being the ice isn't over monitored to exact specifications in your example. It almost says to me let it be, instead of worry more. But I think the answer is go one way or the other - not this "we care but not really but we do" spot they are in
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 17, 2015 Author Posted May 17, 2015 you want a level playing field? NEW balls for every game. No scuffs, no ball rubbing etc etc I'll give one allowance - the refs inflate the balls to a value the QB prefers within the limits of the rules.
Mr. WEO Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I don't think it'd be crazy to have some warmup equipment and have an nfl employee be the ball boy in charge of the game balls from inspection until the end. Though I agree with your sentiment that this will be a quiet front for some time. I haven't seen an argument against this yet. I haven't seen an argument as to why, other than the NFL arbitrarily chose that range and made it a rule, it obviously should be 12.5-13.5.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Thanks Tom! There is always one to spoil it for the rest! Baseball had to go through it, the umps "mud up" the baseballs and micro-manage their use. I guess the same has to apply to football... Just imagine if these Pats** clown were in baseball... They'd be breaking every ethical rule on fair play.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 you want a level playing field? NEW balls for every game. No scuffs, no ball rubbing etc etc I'll give one allowance - the refs inflate the balls to a value the QB prefers within the limits of the rules. I'm with you. We had spygate, the eligible/ineligible situation vs. Baltimore and then deflategate. The Pats will continue to push the limits as they always have. Why let anyone "rub up the footballs?" I was a college catcher and pitchers would mess with the balls all of the time. It's just not right. Let's get this under control.
hondo in seattle Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Anyone suggesting no scuffing... .have any of you guys played with new balls? There's a coating on a just-out-of-the-box ball that makes it terribly slick. I don't think the game of football was ever meant to be played with a new slippery ball. Balls have always been broken in. If the NFL stops allowing teams to break balls in, Wilson will have to find a way to make balls that are pre-broken in and not so slick.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Anyone suggesting no scuffing... .have any of you guys played with new balls? There's a coating on a just-out-of-the-box ball that makes it terribly slick. I don't think the game of football was ever meant to be played with a new slippery ball. Balls have always been broken in. If the NFL stops allowing teams to break balls in, Wilson will have to find a way to make balls that are pre-broken in and not so slick. I hear you and balls have always been scuffed. The point was more, "why not have them more ready to go out of production?" Basketballs aren't really "broken in" like footballs or baseballs. Why can't the production be similar?
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Anyone suggesting no scuffing... .have any of you guys played with new balls? There's a coating on a just-out-of-the-box ball that makes it terribly slick. I don't think the game of football was ever meant to be played with a new slippery ball. Balls have always been broken in. If the NFL stops allowing teams to break balls in, Wilson will have to find a way to make balls that are pre-broken in and not so slick. Just like MLB... They "mud up" balls before the game. They can easily have footballs that get prepped, the NFL will just have to watch the process like baseball does.I hear you and balls have always been scuffed. The point was more, "why not have them more ready to go out of production?" Basketballs aren't really "broken in" like footballs or baseballs. Why can't the production be similar?Baseballs aren't played with first. The game balls are all brand new. Edited May 18, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois
Kelly the Dog Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I haven't seen an argument as to why, other than the NFL arbitrarily chose that range and made it a rule, it obviously should be 12.5-13.5. I'm just asking but would you want a basketball home team taking some air out of a hoop ball because of their point guard, or a soccer team taking some air out of a soccer ball if they were more defensive than their opponent? Granted, I don't think it's a huge issue either but there does need to be some rules. No one has complained about the 12.5 - 13.5 for 75 years. Until Brady.
Beerball Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Anyone suggesting no scuffing... .have any of you guys played with new balls? There's a coating on a just-out-of-the-box ball that makes it terribly slick. I don't think the game of football was ever meant to be played with a new slippery ball. Balls have always been broken in. If the NFL stops allowing teams to break balls in, Wilson will have to find a way to make balls that are pre-broken in and not so slick. So, have the manufacturer break them in (or even have them not put the shiny stuff on the ball in the first place). Tumble them in X for Y amount of time. Every ball treated the same before it is shipped to the NFL. This isn't rocket surgery, but, the NFL will get it wrong.
Saxum Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way. Just watch for Brady's press-on titanium nails so he can score the ball and let a little air out of it.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 What was the PSI of Brady's balls when tested after the Colts game? And yes, I phrased it that way on purpose. ;-)
Saxum Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 What was the PSI of Brady's balls when tested after the Colts game? And yes, I phrased it that way on purpose. ;-) I do not know but you should be required to test them after every game.
Phil Hansen Forever Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I think he's getting at the possibility of the home team tampering with the gauge so it can read 13 PSI but really be 14 or 12 or watermelon. Assuming it's an analog gauge that is. So? Both teams would then get the same benefit. All the footballs should be provided by the NFL at the beginning of the game. Screw the QB and the kickers. Let them be hard as rock.
keepthefaith Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Tightening the inspection process is good. As for the range of pressure, it should be expanded (no pun intended) IMO. Make it broader such as 11-14PSI so that we don't end up with teams being punished weekly for being at 12.4 or 13.6.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I do not know but you should be required to test them after every game. Ha! LMAO I am pretty sure Gisele won't let anyone look in her purse... Chicks hate that kinda thing. ;-P
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