BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 AP Source: NFL plans to change football handling guidelines http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-nfl-plans-change-football-handling-guidelines-031401744--nfl.html The person spoke on condition of anonymity Friday night because details will be discussed at the owners' meetings in San Francisco next week. The procedural changes result from the ''Deflategate'' saga. The league wants to avoid the possibility that teams could tamper with footballs, and any change wouldn't require a vote from owners. interesting bit The footballs must be delivered to the officials' dressing room 2 hours, 15 minutes before kickoff. The referee inspects each one, with a pump provided by the home team to adjust air pressure as needed. Footballs are required to have at least 12.5 psi and no more than 13.5 psi.
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Why is the red part at all interesting? I bet the home team provides the chair the ref sits at too. As long as the gauge is decent (and if it's not it's atleast consistent across balls).... Does a pump coming from the home team to adjust the balls make a big difference? One less thing to be packed and shipped. Lots of stuff comes from the home team.
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) Why is the red part at all interesting? I bet the home team provides the chair the ref sits at too. As long as the gauge is decent (and if it's not it's atleast consistent across balls).... Does a pump coming from the home team to adjust the balls make a big difference? One less thing to be packed and shipped. Lots of stuff comes from the home team. I think he's getting at the possibility of the home team tampering with the gauge so it can read 13 PSI but really be 14 or 12 or watermelon. Assuming it's an analog gauge that is. Edited May 16, 2015 by The Wiz
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 I think he's getting at the possibility of the home team tampering with the gauge so it can read 13 PSI but really be 14 or 12 or watermelon. But it says pump, not gauge, and honestly if they do, both teams get the same benefit
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 But it says pump, not gauge, and honestly if they do, both teams get the same benefit Could just be crappy wording. Not sure how you inspect a ball with a pump and not a gauge.
mikemac2001 Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Pump is to inflate or deflate to the correct lvls Gauge is to check what lvl it's at
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Could just be crappy wording. Not sure how you inspect a ball with a pump and not a gauge. I assumed that they use whatever gauge and the pump is there to adjust. Either way - like I said, if the gauge is faulty or tampered with it effects the teams the same.
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) But it says pump, not gauge, and honestly if they do, both teams get the same benefit Not necessarily. Say the ball is on the high end (where Rodgers likes it) and is playing Brady who allegedly likes softer balls. Rodgers would obviously be benefiting from the higher pressure. How much benefit isn't really something you can measure but in specific situations it could provide an edge. I don't expect a ball set to a specific PSI to make Manuel look better than Brady. Edited May 16, 2015 by The Wiz
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Not necessarily. Say the ball is on the high end (where Rodgers likes it) and is playing Brady who allegedly likes softer balls. Rodgers would obviously be benefiting from the higher pressure. How much benefit isn't really something you can measure but in specific situations it could provide an edge. I don't expect a ball set to a specific PSI to make Manuel look better than Brady. I guess ultimately if the gauges are unreliable, the refs are unreliable, etc.... That keeping all the balls within 1 psi of each other is ultimately about all your asking for in the rule anyway, and this accomplishes that, was my point
Kirby Jackson Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Why is the red part at all interesting? I bet the home team provides the chair the ref sits at too. As long as the gauge is decent (and if it's not it's atleast consistent across balls).... Does a pump coming from the home team to adjust the balls make a big difference? One less thing to be packed and shipped. Lots of stuff comes from the home team. Home teams provide the doctors in most sports too. There is nothing of note here except that they are monitoring the footballs.
Fadingpain Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Bravo NFL! Leave some leeway in the equation so that future tampering by teams is possible! Here's an idea: the NFL shows up to all games with their own balls, inflated by the NFL with their own pumps, and with pressures checked at game time in game atmosphere conditions on the field by NFL pressure gauges, to be monitored by NFL employees. Cut the teams out of the loop entirely as far as balls are concerned. Doesn't that make sense? I can guarantee the NFL can afford a whole bunch of footballs and some pumps and gauges.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 I think that maybe we are misunderstanding this. Think of a referee overseeing a guy getting taped before a fight. The teams will bring the balls to the refs and they will be checked. If they don't meet the restrictions they will be filled or have air let out accordingly.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Then the refs give it to the ball guys for use on the field, who stop off for 140 second squirt.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 17, 2015 Author Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) Why is the red part at all interesting? I bet the home team provides the chair the ref sits at too. As long as the gauge is decent (and if it's not it's atleast consistent across balls).... Does a pump coming from the home team to adjust the balls make a big difference? One less thing to be packed and shipped. Lots of stuff comes from the home team. I did not post the whole text of the thread (as requested by the Global Mods) - maybe I should have used a different paragraph The referee is the sole judge of whether a ball is fit for play and marks each one approved for the game. The rule says the footballs ''shall remain under the supervision of the referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.'' So the Refs control the ball until they hit the field. - is there a chance the balls can be "tampered" with on the sideline? Maybe they should have an NFL Employee to maintain possession all throughout the game Edited May 17, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
CardinalScotts Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 why are they changing it? nothing wrong was done ? it had no effect on anything and now they are changing things?
Kirby Jackson Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I did not post the whole text of the thread (as requested by the Global Mods) - maybe I should have used a different paragraph The referee is the sole judge of whether a ball is fit for play and marks each one approved for the game. The rule says the footballs ''shall remain under the supervision of the referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game.'' So the Refs control the ball until they hit the field. - is there a chance the balls can be "tampered" with on the sideline? Maybe they should have an NFL Employee to maintain possession all throughout the game How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way.
Mr. WEO Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) Why not just let them do whatever they want with the balls. We already know some don't want an underinflated ball. Rodgers thinks it's a hindrence. 12.5 to 13.5 PSI is an arbitrary range. If every team can have it at whatever pressure they want at the start of the game, no one has an advantage. This whole silly issue goes away forever. Edited May 17, 2015 by Mr. WEO
NoSaint Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way. I don't think it'd be crazy to have some warmup equipment and have an nfl employee be the ball boy in charge of the game balls from inspection until the end. Though I agree with your sentiment that this will be a quiet front for some time. Why not just let them do whatever they want with the balls. We already know some don't want an underinflated ball. Rodgers thinks it's a hindrence. 12.5 to 13.5 PSI is an arbitrary range. If every team can have it at whatever pressure they want at the start of the game, no one has an advantage. This whole silly issue goes away forever. I haven't seen an argument against this yet.
Fadingpain Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) How would they warm up? I don't think that we have to worry about this happening again. There are too many eyes on it now. We need to get ahead of the NEXT way that the Pats cheat not the last way. Good point about that. Having said that, if the ball is considered to be an important piece of playing equipment and should be neutral for all parties at all games, the NFL needs to 100% control it, 100% of the time. At least game balls. And here's an idea: How about an "NFL PSI specialist" monitoring and adjusting PSI in the ball CONSTANTLY through the game. God knows there are only about 10 million stoppages in an NFL game. You could keep an eye on game ball air pressure every 5 minutes of real time if you wanted to. Edited May 17, 2015 by Stopthepain
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