Jimmy Garoppolo and the future of the AFC East

[K D]

The Cheats have 5 rookies starting this year?

5 guys that they brought into the league will be starting. 0 for us. but they are lucky i guess. bloop

[Wayne Cubed]

5 guys that they brought into the league will be starting. 0 for us. but they are lucky i guess. bloop

 

How many are they going to have next year?

 

EDIT: If you don't think the Patriots** lucked into Brady, I don't know what to tell you. They drafted him in the 6th round. How many 6th round draft picks have gone on to become one of the greatest QB's of all time.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Wayne Cubed

[YoloinOhio]

they are still in the league and starting in the NFL. there's only like 40 something guys in the world that will do that. and none of them will be guys that we have drafted or signed as UDFA as Yolo wants me to point in with respect to Hoyer

 

just to start is a success. we have no draft picks or udfa's starting games this year. they have 5

they do not have 5 guys who are starting. There are 4 brady backups who have *a chance* to start, 2 of which are battling for the same job so won't both start and 1 who would never be starting this year unless he was forced into it by a suspension. you are still stating opinions as facts. I get the point you are trying to make but you are not using factual info. Edited May 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio

[K D]

they do not have 5 guys who are starting. There are 4 brady backups who have *a chance* to start, 2 of which are battling for the same job so won't both start and 1 who would never be starting this year unless he was forced into it by a suspension. you are still stating opinions as facts. I get the point you are trying to make but you are not using factual info.

they will start games this year

 

How many are they going to have next year?

 

EDIT: If you don't think the Patriots** lucked into Brady, I don't know what to tell you. They drafted him in the 6th round. How many 6th round draft picks have gone on to become one of the greatest QB's of all time.

They get good QB's for cheap. They have done it multiple times. Sure, t\hey didn't think he was going to be the best of all time but they have had a lot of success getting good QB's later in the draft. And meanwhile we have no success getting any QB's anywhere in the draft. They definitely know something we don't. It's not all luck. We need to do something to get a personnel guy in here that knows QB's. It's not all luck

Edited May 13, 2015 by kdiggz

[Wayne Cubed]

they will start games this year

 

Again, so what... what does that have to do with draft success. Lots of players have started games. The Bills will have players they drafted starting games next year. I don't get why you think a player starting equals draft success.

 

These players also haven't cemented themselves on any team. Haven't won a playoff game. Have lost their starting spots and will most likely go on to being nobodys in NFL history.

 

How many are going to be starting next year? In 2 years? You don't know that answer because these players aren't good enough.

 

There is only 1 player that will definitely be starting next year. Tom Brady. That is their only successful QB drafted and it was luck.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Wayne Cubed

[K D]

 

Again, so what... what does that have to do with draft success. Lots of players have started games. The Bills will have players they drafted starting games next year. I don't get why you think a player starting equals draft success.

 

These players also haven't cemented themselves on any team. Haven't won a playoff game. Have lost their starting spots and will most likely go on to being nobodys in NFL history.

 

How many are going to be starting next year? In 2 years? You don't know that answer because these players aren't good enough.

 

There is only 1 player that will definitely be starting next year. Tom Brady. That is their only successful QB drafted and it was luck.

if we drafted equally as well at the QB position then why aren't any of our guys starting any games this year? doesn't matter if they are good or not. they are starting NFL games. and our QB's are out of the league.

[KD in CA]

 

Oh no problem, his theory is that because the Patriots have QB's that are starting in the NFL that that is success.

 

Actually his theory was the Patriots do a better job evaluating QBs in the draft than people were giving them credit for doing, which is fair.

 

I happen to think a reasonable share of Brady's success is due to Belichick and for that reason think Garoppolo has a pretty good chance at being a successful player.

[Wayne Cubed]

if we drafted equally as well at the QB position then why aren't any of our guys starting any games this year? doesn't matter if they are good or not. they are starting NFL games. and our QB's are out of the league.

 

EJ Manuel is out of the league?

 

If the BIlls drafted any one of those QB's they wouldn't be on the team any more besides Garoppolo. You do know that right? They haven't played well enough to secure starting positions on any team.

 

 

Actually his theory was the Patriots do a better job evaluating QBs in the draft than people were giving them credit for doing, which is fair.

 

I happen to think a reasonable share of Brady's success is due to Belichick and for that reason think Garoppolo has a pretty good chance at being a successful player.

 

Right, but his measuring stick for "doing a better job" is because they happen to be starting. I don't believe that's a good measuring stick. Lots of players bounce around to different teams and start and play. That doesn't mean the team that drafted them was successful.

[Doc]

5 guys that they brought into the league will be starting. 0 for us. but they are lucky i guess. bloop

No they won't all be starting. And those who start won't be starting long, like Garoppolo. Because they're not very good.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Doc

[K D]

No they won't all be starting. And those who start won't be starting long, like Garoppolo. Because they're not very good.

that's still better than anyone we have had

[GunnerBill]

I can definitely see kdiggz point. Whatever you think about the luck that they had with Brady, since then they have either drafted or signed Cassel, Hoyer and Mallet who are all options I suspect that their teams are prepared to roll with (Houston has to roll with one or the other). Cassel has been to a pro-bowl and led a team to the play-offs. He has then moved on again and started with a second different team and could well start with a third team this year. He to me has shown himself to be a serviceable starter or top end backup in the NFL.

 

Hoyer was released at the end of his free agent rookie deal and bounced around as injury cover with the Steelers and the Cardinals before being signed as a third string at the mess that is Cleveland. Then an unusual set of circumstances led to him starting 3 games and playing ok before the ACL against the Bills. He came back to beat out a rookie last year only to lose the job 2/3s of the way through the season. He to me has not proved himself a genuinely serviceable NFL starter but is a steady backup.

 

Mallet has hardly played but has the physical gift of a big arm so teams are at this stage still willing to roll the dice on him. At the moment he has proven less than EJ Manuel (which in a sense might be in his favour because he isn't even close to proving not to be the answer whereas EJ is nudging into that territory).

 

Now I don't view that as a great return, but it isn't a disaster either. Especially when you consider their investment in those 3 is one mid round pick and one late round pick. However, you also have to balance that in each of those cases they were drafting or signing guys without any pressure to make them the starter. They had a future HoF guy starting they were just looking for backups. Each of those guys got to sit, learn off Tom Brady and then had a chance to compete to start elsewhere when they had matured and their level of readiness was higher than the guys the Bills have drafted and then pressed into early action.

 

So have they shown themselves to be at least reasonable NFL QB talent evaluators? Yes I think they have, however, they have also had favourable conditions to bring QBs into since Tom Brady.

Edited May 13, 2015 by GunnerBill

[die hard bills fan]

Acording to alot of "experts" the Pats* are still a better team than the Bills with Garoppolo and have them going 3-1 when Brady is gone.

Ladanian Tomlison on NFL networ states Garop is better than any of the QB's we have and that is why they will win. Also sirius nfl had analyst on yesterday who covers the pats* (forgot his name) said same , 3-1, beating the Bills.

I may be a homer, but I don't get it.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

well the good thing is the Bills get 1 week of game film on him to study.

 

and not that it's that relative they shut him out in week 17 when he was playing with backups.

[K D]

I can definitely see kdiggz point. Whatever you think about the luck that they had with Brady, since then they have either drafted or signed Cassel, Hoyer and Mallet who are all options I suspect that their teams are prepared to roll with (Houston has to roll with one or the other). Cassel has been to a pro-bowl and led a team to the play-offs. He has then moved on again and started with a second different team and could well start with a third team this year. He to me has shown himself to be a serviceable starter or top end backup in the NFL.

 

Hoyer was released at the end of his free agent rookie deal and bounced around as injury cover with the Steelers and the Cardinals before being signed as a third string at the mess that is Cleveland. Then an unusual set of circumstances led to him starting 3 games and playing ok before the ACL against the Bills. He came back to beat out a rookie last year only to lose the job 2/3s of the way through the season. He to me has not proved himself a genuinely serviceable NFL starter but is a steady backup.

 

Mallet has hardly played but has the physical gift of a big arm so teams are at this stage still willing to roll the dice on him. At the moment he has proven less than EJ Manuel (which in a sense might be in his favour because he isn't even close to proving not to be the answer whereas EJ is nudging into that territory).

 

Now I don't view that as a great return, but it isn't a disaster either. Especially when you consider their investment in those 3 is one mid round pick and one late round pick. However, you also have to balance that in each of those cases they were drafting or signing guys without any pressure to make them the starter. They had a future HoF guy starting they were just looking for backups. Each of those guys got to sit, learn off Tom Brady and then had a chance to compete to start elsewhere when they had matured and their level of readiness was higher than the guys the Bills have drafted and then pressed into early action.

 

So have they shown themselves to be at least reasonable NFL QB talent evaluators? Yes I think they have, however, they have also had favourable conditions to bring QBs into since Tom Brady.

Thanks. I agree for the most part. However, other teams have had similar situations where they have a great QB and the backups are able to come in and sit and learn. But none of the other teams are churning out QB's like the Pats have. Peyton Manning doesn't have a handful of his backups starting in the NFL for example. It's definitely someone on the Pats personnel side that has an eye for QB's. Pegula has the money. Let's double his salary and bring him in

[BuffaloHokie13]

Thanks. I agree for the most part. However, other teams have had similar situations where they have a great QB and the backups are able to come in and sit and learn. But none of the other teams are churning out QB's like the Pats have. Peyton Manning doesn't have a handful of his backups starting in the NFL for example. It's definitely someone on the Pats personnel side that has an eye for QB's. Pegula has the money. Let's double his salary and bring him in

Packers have done well too. Went from Favre to Rodgers and have also spit out Matt Flynn. We'll see what happens with Hundley in the next couple years

[GunnerBill]

Or Tom is giving of his time and Peyton isn't?

[8-8 Forever?]

Belichick will retire when Brady does. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he stays.

 

I'm sure gonna miss his fun personality and enthusiasm. And his integrity, player loyalty and charismatic interview sessions.

He's sure a little on the bleeding edge of super competitive, but the guy wins. Can't argue with what that organization has accomplished over an extended period. NFL is blood sport and they play it that way at all levels.

[YoloinOhio]

Or Tom is giving of his time and Peyton isn't?

I wouldn't be surprised to hear Peyton doesnt contribute to qb development

[YoloinOhio]

Acording to alot of "experts" the Pats* are still a better team than the Bills with Garoppolo and have them going 3-1 when Brady is gone.

Ladanian Tomlison on NFL networ states Garop is better than any of the QB's we have and that is why they will win. Also sirius nfl had analyst on yesterday who covers the pats* (forgot his name) said same , 3-1, beating the Bills.

I may be a homer, but I don't get it.

Maybe so... I think JG has potential, but I don't think he is ready to the point where will go 3-1 out of the gate. EIU ran the Baylor offense and the learning curve can be rough from one-read, spread to reading NFL defenses. Especially one like Rex's.

 

If he goes 3-1, I think it will be because they were able to dominate in the run game and defensively. Right now those are two areas with big question marks on that team.

[YoloinOhio]

Great analysis by Bucky Brooks

 

Jimmy Garoppolo scouting report: Pats' life without Tom Brady

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492623/article/jimmy-garoppolo-scouting-report-pats-life-without-tom-brady