DC Greg Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If they cheated by deflating the football, YES, I would be very happy with the championships. It's basically a pitcher scuffing the ball, and I don't doubt for minute that has happened in every World Series. I think a more apt analogy would be a corked bat. I don't think deflating the football is meaningless. It clearly gives Brady more control over the ball, since he was so adamant about having the balls deflated. How many passes (potentially game changing ones) would have sailed off target had he followed the rules? We'll never know. The second part is that an underinflated football is much easier to CATCH than a full inflated ball, because you can squeeze it easier. Makes one handed catches a lot easier. Third, an underinflated football is much easier to HOLD ON TO than a fully inflated ball. Again, better grip and squeeze to hold tighter. So folks, it's not just Tom Brady's comfort that was affected by this scandal. You have every person who touched the ball on offense whenever they were using one of those balls receiving benefits. It's impossible to say how many fumbles may have happened or balls may have been dropped with a properly inflated ball. I think that impact would be very little... but I'm certain, in my mind, that there must have been at least a handful of plays where it helped. What if one of those plays was on a winning TD run in a playoff game? We won't know, but it's possible. And that possibility taints the legitimacy of their superbowls. Not completely, of course. You can't say (definitively or even confidently) that the Patriots would not have won a super bowl using the right PSI, but you can't not say it made no difference at the same time.
ricojes Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If the 90's Bills cheated twice and won 4SB would you be ok First of all, the *Patsies have been caught twice, who knows how many other violations are out there waiting to be uncovered. I am torn though, because I just want a SB trophy in Buffalo. Through the years all the crap that this team has gotten away with, from bending the rules to breaking the rules, it is pretty embarrassing. Just the lack of fumble stats that go along with the deflated footballs is enough to piss you right off. But if you're from Boston, and you can't pronounce R's anyway, an asterisk isn't going to bother anyone...
RCOHEN13 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I think a more apt analogy would be a corked bat. I don't think deflating the football is meaningless. It clearly gives Brady more control over the ball, since he was so adamant about having the balls deflated. How many passes (potentially game changing ones) would have sailed off target had he followed the rules? We'll never know. The second part is that an underinflated football is much easier to CATCH than a full inflated ball, because you can squeeze it easier. Makes one handed catches a lot easier. Third, an underinflated football is much easier to HOLD ON TO than a fully inflated ball. Again, better grip and squeeze to hold tighter. So folks, it's not just Tom Brady's comfort that was affected by this scandal. You have every person who touched the ball on offense whenever they were using one of those balls receiving benefits. It's impossible to say how many fumbles may have happened or balls may have been dropped with a properly inflated ball. I think that impact would be very little... but I'm certain, in my mind, that there must have been at least a handful of plays where it helped. What if one of those plays was on a winning TD run in a playoff game? We won't know, but it's possible. And that possibility taints the legitimacy of their superbowls. Not completely, of course. You can't say (definitively or even confidently) that the Patriots would not have won a super bowl using the right PSI, but you can't not say it made no difference at the same time. Steven Ridley must be the worst RB in NFL then! the guy constantly got benched for fumbling (under inflated footballs!) Either way, can't change the past, hopefully with Brady missing 1st quarter of yr including game 2 vs us, we can get a division title! Which IMO, seemed doable regardless! Go Bills!
BarleyNY Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I'd gladly take ribbing after the fact for a couple SB wins and the relative slap on the wrist the Pats have gotten. And it would be well-deserved ribbing that I would be comfortable getting. Now if there had been an NCAA style hammering with titles and wins vacated, then that'd be a different story.
Ouijaman Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) No. No way. If they had won and it turned out they cheated, I'd feel betrayed. Shame on you if your a real Bills fan and agree with the cheating is ok to win a Super Bowl. Let's not stupe to the bottom of the barrel like these Pats fans are doing show some class and respect the Bills shield. This. Edited May 12, 2015 by Ouijaman
Rockinon Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I would not be all right. I would not have the character that I have today without learning from loss and I would not want to be like the Pats fans are acting right now. It's embarrassing. I am seeing a lot of people in denial over this thing. For them I feel sorry for. But the ones who know that it is cheating and still don't care? Can't say I feel sorry for them at all. The game should always be played on a level field. Neither side cheating, and everything should be left out on the field so that when every player has left the game, they know where they stand. Anything less than that is a detriment to the sport and jeopardizes the integrity of the game. Anyone who strives every day to be their best deserves to have that level field.
What a Tuel Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Absolutely not. Maybe I am stupid and naive, but I take it as a point of pride that the Bills have been implicated in very few cases of breaking the rules. I don't think we need spygate or deflated balls to win, and I would hope my team wouldn't compromise their integrity to do it.
BuffaloMatt Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Integrity is doing the right thing. Even when no one is watching. C.S. Lewis AND There is no better test of a man's integrity (Brady) than his behavior when he is wrong. Marvin Williams So my answer is NO. The Superbowl would be like Lance's seven yellow jersey's and Marion's gold medals. Worthless!!!!
Retsel Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 When my team wins, I want it to be a wholesome win without any cheating. No one should feel good about hollow victories, punctuated by cheating scandals. I am proud of my 4 time losing Superbowl Bills teams. As a Bills fan, I used to be respectful of Belicheck and Brady and their ability to string along so many wins. But now all that respect has gone sour. Their legacy has gone to hell, and all true football fans will remember is their cheating ways, to gain unfair advantage.
sodbuster Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Heck yeah I'd be OK, which is why anything short of stripping titles rings hollow. And if you asked any NFL player I think they'd gladly sit out a handful of games the next season for a Lombardi Trophy.
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 The Pats were spying on every team and they got punished for it including the Rams in the Super Bowl http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-the-rams-out-of-a-super-bowl/ And I bet a dollar that Billy Boy may have spied on the Bills leading up to SB 25 plus his D faked injuries all game long
Corp000085 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 100%, I would rather lose with integrity than win with dishonesty.
KollegeStudnet Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 As of yesterday, by *Pats fan standards 'every team cheats'... So, I guess we did--- even though we lost four straight :,(
ThurmasThoman Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Of course I would... If... if if if if if... the majority of the fanbase was mature enough to handle the ribbing we would get for cheating--unlike Patriots fans. And at the end of the day, thats really whats so f*cking infuriating about the Patriots cheating. It's not them saying that the championships should still count (they should) or that they arent tainted (theyre not) or that brady should be in the hall of fame (he should). And it IS true that other teams video tape practices, and other quarterbacks altered the gameballs. Just like other drivers speed, or run red lights. We get it. It happens. Stop denying it. As if its not enough for tom brady to be the best quarterback ever, he also must be infallible. THATS what drives me f*cking crazy. Sports are inherently meaningless. Its a bunch of grown men with absolutely 0 connection to the city of the team they play for, throwing around an inflated ball, playing by a set of rules that evolve annually, for a championship awarded to a city with a team that may or may not leave them depending on changing tax rules. There is literally NOTHING about the games themselves that is objectively meaningful. Not to open an existential can of worms, but if youre some f*g that watches the combine and compares the arm sizes of these dudes, well, youre more annoying than pats fans so I can't help you there. But for the majority of heterosexual men that watch sports to hang out with their friends/family, and have common things to talk about--the Patriots are annoying to no end. Do their fans not want to talk about sports with the rest of America? Are they really so obtuse as to think there is a league-wide conspiracy against them. Theyre just sh*tty people to WATCH and CONSUME football with, because they cant see the forest from the trees. I would think (hope) that the majority of Bills fans are different, but what do i know?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 For many situations it's impossible to imagine how you'd react.... Because your current reality is so far removed from it, you just can't even speculate what would be going on in your head. For me, that includes any scenario where i would need to imagine the bills as super bowl winners.
Malazan Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I would have celebrated those chamionships. I wouldn't deny they cheated though. I don't think Brady or Belichick push to the edge and aren't concerned if they go over especially with rules they *feel* are invalid.
seq004 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I would be happy they won, but I would question why they needed to cheat to win a championship and would be somewhat ashamed to represent my team because outside of WNY everyone would see ot as a tainted championship.
BobbyC81 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Oh, I'll chime IN. Of course I'd be ok, but I wouldn't cry about it if they were caught and punished either. p.s. 'intact', not 'in tack' Watch out, the grammar police are present.
Rockinon Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 And I bet a dollar that Billy Boy may have spied on the Bills leading up to SB 25 plus his D faked injuries all game long Don't forget the recent rule change on substitutions. Patriots were testing the officials in that regard too. The entire culture is to get away with everything they can, even if it is an unfair advantage.
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