Chuck Wagon Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I enjoy PFF's work but I always take it with a hefty dose of salt. I remember reading about how Evan Mathis publicly told him he liked their site and his grades shot up after that. I've heard respected people rave about their work and other respected people say it's fluff as they don't really know guys responsibilities on plays. Given our standing in the league, it's tough to take National guys work on us too seriously. We haven't appeared much on national tv so guys aren't doing a lot of homework to talk about us in that platform. We aren't a glamor team, so I'd have to imagine guys like PFF are only popping in Bills tape after hours of watching other team's tape. Obviously our line is a bit of a concern, but there's so much unknown with putting new pieces in, getting new coaching and running a new scheme. Anyone who says they definitively know how guys like Henderson or Kouandjio will do or how Glenn will come along after having improved health is kidding themselves.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Cue the EJ deserves more time crew in 3....2...... There is no correlation between bad oline play and a QB. None. We can argue about how they evaluate the oline. But it was bad. We allowed the QB to get hit 16 times in the Texans game. You're lucky the QB survived that game. No QB is going to thrive under those conditions. Personally, I think coaching and playcalling were huge issues. Our playcalling was very predictable. Also, our best G was benched for half of a season. I predict a much improved group and as a result, better QB play.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I enjoy PFF's work but I always take it with a hefty dose of salt. I remember reading about how Evan Mathis publicly told him he liked their site and his grades shot up after that. I've heard respected people rave about their work and other respected people say it's fluff as they don't really know guys responsibilities on plays. Given our standing in the league, it's tough to take National guys work on us too seriously. We haven't appeared much on national tv so guys aren't doing a lot of homework to talk about us in that platform. We aren't a glamor team, so I'd have to imagine guys like PFF are only popping in Bills tape after hours of watching other team's tape. Obviously our line is a bit of a concern, but there's so much unknown with putting new pieces in, getting new coaching and running a new scheme. Anyone who says they definitively know how guys like Henderson or Kouandjio will do or how Glenn will come along after having improved health is kidding themselves. This is kind of where I am at. I do not know how you grade the line that likely has 2 new starters at guard (1 a rookie and 1 who wasn't in the league), a RT going into year 2 and the swing tackle who barely played more snaps than I did. They have to do their job and come up with rankings but this probably carries less weight than power rankings do. This line has never played together and have never played for this coaching staff!!! We have no idea if they are going to be good or bad at this point.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 This is kind of where I am at. I do not know how you grade the line that likely has 2 new starters at guard (1 a rookie and 1 who wasn't in the league), a RT going into year 2 and the swing tackle who barely played more snaps than I did. They have to do their job and come up with rankings but this probably carries less weight than power rankings do. This line has never played together and have never played for this coaching staff!!! We have no idea if they are going to be good or bad at this point. This kinda goes for preseason power rankings, strength of schedule, and FA/ draft grades. It's all pointless at this point and just used to fill time.
John from Riverside Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I have real hope for this offensive line this year...... - Glenn......word is he has shown up in the best shape of his life. Whatever was troubling him at the beginning of last year appears to be behind him.......he will probably have Cog playing next to him in the lineup so he will have a veteran OG to pass blitz and stuntz off and should perform much better - Cog went to the pro bowl as a LG......he comes back with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove.....he is playing alongside his buddy Wood. - Wood will play better because the OL next to him are better. Wood is basically Mr. Dependable. He is not great but he is good. - I think the RT will be John Miller......a quality pure guard. I thought it was interesting that he had the lowest body fat of OL coming out this year. at 305 that means he could probably add another 10 pounds pretty easily with NFL trainers while not losing quickness. He doesnt need it for power as he is already incred strong. - Then you have Henderson......a REALLY good athlete who like most rookie offensive tackles when through ups and downs his rookie season. OL tend to get better in their second year. - A quality OL coach - A OC who is known as a "genious" when it comes to running the ball - 2 TE's that can block and catch This O line will improve this year...I dont have a doubt in my mind.
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I think the jury is out on this crop of OLineman we have. I'll be more interested in our ranking after this season. Important to note that this is LAST season's OL rankings. (The title implies that this is for the lines as they stand.) Hopefully we see a big improvement because I find PFF's overall rating of last season's OL difficult to argue with.
SCD Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Doug Marrone is perhaps the best NFL Offensive line coach because his philosophy includes shrouding his overall greatness by actually being bad. This is an amazing display of creativity that will surely result in him being assigned saintliness.
John from Riverside Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Wouldnt you like to be a fly on the wall when Roman and Kromer are going over last years film and what they might say of Marrone's coaching style with the OL?
billsfan89 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 If you watched the games the O-line was a mess last year, the whole offense was. Orton was a high level back up QB or a low level starting QB playing behind a bad O-line and limited offensive weapons. Hopefully a combination of adding InCognito, Miller, getting Williams back from injury, and the young players from last season developing improve the O-line play overall. Doug Marrone is perhaps the best NFL Offensive line coach because his philosophy includes shrouding his overall greatness by actually being bad. This is an amazing display of creativity that will surely result in him being assigned saintliness. Hilarious post.
Doc Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 If you watched the games the O-line was a mess last year, the whole offense was. Orton was a high level back up QB or a low level starting QB playing behind a bad O-line and limited offensive weapons. Hopefully a combination of adding InCognito, Miller, getting Williams back from injury, and the young players from last season developing improve the O-line play overall. I'm sure you implied them, but don't forget Clay, Felton, and Harvin. More weapons to defend means it's a lot harder to key on certain players.
Juice_32 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 I didn't click the link, but the Jags gotta be number 1 right?
CardinalScotts Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 you really have to take a lot closer look at the game plan / play calling from last year you could almost throw it out. You don't have to quick to play qb but you need some slide movement or ability to step up Orton had neither it was the monument of sh*t and easy for defenses to unleash on. This being said I'm not saying our guards were fine the twist and line games gave them problems.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Wouldnt you like to be a fly on the wall when Roman and Kromer are going over last years film and what they might say of Marrone's coaching style with the OL? There was a write up somewhere that the bills have the wrong kind of linemen for the zone blocking scheme employed in hacks offense and they are much better suited for man to man power scheme which roman brings to town. I don't know how on point that was, but I do expect Roman to be more than an incredibly huge upgrade.. And I do expect incognito to be the best guard the teams had in several years. I do not expect to see the o line abused like in the Texan and Chargers games where every front four stunt looked like a jail break.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Run the Spiller dive up the middle again for a yard....... Bingo, our offensive play calling was bad college level. Our defense had so much talent that even bad coaching couldn't screw it up.
1billsfan Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 One aspect of the poor line play had to be the sheer predictability of Marrone's offense. I would watch other teams' offenses and the Bills looked like they were using high school plays and play calling in comparison. It was embarrassing. NFL defenses will make your line looks silly if they know what play is coming.
JESSEFEFFER Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Context always matters. If the hit occurs in under 2.5 s or after 4s seconds should matter. If the hit was the result of a whiff on an interior block should matter. If the a hit were due to a missed blitz pickup by a back should matter. If the QB holds the ball too long and takes sacks should matter. If the o-line can't make blocks in the open field and the screen game is nonexistent should matter. The 2014 o-line was not an asset. The 2012 line was.
Utah John Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 The Bills had the second-worst O line last year? Hard to believe. Hard to believe there was one worse.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 They were 2nd worst last year, for sure. No idea how good/bad they will be this year.
eball Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 There was a write up somewhere that the bills have the wrong kind of linemen for the zone blocking scheme employed in hacks offense and they are much better suited for man to man power scheme which roman brings to town. I don't know how on point that was, but I do expect Roman to be more than an incredibly huge upgrade.. And I do expect incognito to be the best guard the teams had in several years. I do not expect to see the o line abused like in the Texan and Chargers games where every front four stunt looked like a jail break. If this is true (and I've heard it mentioned in other places as well), then Marrone is an even bigger douche for being unwilling (or unable) to change up his blocking schemes to account for his personnel. I'm not buying the JohnC argument that the talent is bottom of the barrel. Coaching and schemes matter.
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 If this is true (and I've heard it mentioned in other places as well), then Marrone is an even bigger douche for being unwilling (or unable) to change up his blocking schemes to account for his personnel. I'm not buying the JohnC argument that the talent is bottom of the barrel. Coaching and schemes matter. They didn't really run zone all the time...they actually ran a hodgepodge of schemes, which is likely part of the issue. They started out with zone concepts, but the group they had wasn't really mobile enough to run them consistently. Then, as the line took on a different shape with the rotation and failings at the guard positions, they started to become more mobile and less brutish, but never really settled upon an identity in terms of their blocking system. I can assure you, however, that this year, under Kromer, they'll have an identity and stick to it.
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