Brady to be SUSPENDED next week according to report

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

You love to post goofy interpretations and then play that card. It's turning into your thing.

what interpretation?

I copied what was posted in the specified link.

 

again. here is a (another) link to the rules for the ball

 

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/5_2013_Ball.pdf

it is apparent the two do not coincide word for word

 

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball

 

I suggest you bring your gripe to the NFL instead of me.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

so many threads on this so in lieu of starting a new one to rehash deflated balls, fewer fumbles and QB stats in Dec and Jan

 

from Peter King

Tom Brady's* home and away stats may shed some light on Deflategate

 

if we look at home versus road games for the entire season, the splits are nearly identical. But what is interesting here is that Brady's numbers at home late in the season are nearly identical to his overall numbers at home, suggesting his performance in December at Foxboro Stadium doesn't drop off while his performance on the road drops (e.g. 30% drop in TDs per game).

[The Wiz]

so many threads on this so in lieu of starting a new one to rehash deflated balls, fewer fumbles and QB stats in Dec and Jan

 

from Peter King

Tom Brady's* home and away stats may shed some light on Deflategate

 

if we look at home versus road games for the entire season, the splits are nearly identical. But what is interesting here is that Brady's numbers at home late in the season are nearly identical to his overall numbers at home, suggesting his performance in December at Foxboro Stadium doesn't drop off while his performance on the road drops (e.g. 30% drop in TDs per game).

He wasn't sure where the fake bathroom was from the visitors locker room.

[What a Tuel]

He wasn't sure where the fake bathroom was from the visitors locker room.

 

I keep hearing about this fake bathroom thing. Was this a non functioning bathroom that McNally want into? What's the story on this?

Edited May 20, 2015 by What a Tuel

[OCinBuffalo]

Pats Fans Report: I was in Boston this past weekend, and got to hear a lot of Patriot fan opinions. Most were garbage. Some don't even know that Rex Ryan is the Bills coach, or that Pegula bought the team. A few actually thought the "Bills to LA" thing was still in play. /facepalm

 

1. However, one interesting question was:

"The refs spot the ball on every single play. Can't they tell if a ball is deflated by mere "feel"? The group I was with was divided: some said of course, refs have been doing this for years. Others said it was impossible to tell. Nobody could prove anything, and nobody wants to buy 2 NFL balls for the experiment. But, you would think somebody in the media would do that.

 

2. I have thought it was going to be 2 games since the beginning of this mess. 2 games, after the appeal, which is why they went 4 games initially. This, plus Goddell handling it himself, is all a way to make him look "judicious" after the Ray Rice mess. Some of the Pats fans were deluding themselves thinking that Brady was going to get off clean, but were corrected by others who essentially said the 1-2 games he will get on appeal are for "lying when you didn't have to"... whatever that means.

 

I didn't say anything about "deflate gate". Why bother? I enjoyed the schadenfreude. As a deflection, some of the Pats fans initially tried scoffing at me regarding our team, and of course 1-2 were being real d!cks. However, I hit them with facts/tough questions, just like I do here:

 

1. "Who in your secondary can cover Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield...once, never mind the whole game? And, how do you cover them all at the same time? Even with average QB play, somebody is going to be open, every play." That question made me the real deflator! You should have seen their faces. I deflated an entire party of 60 people. One poor bastard's half-hearted reply: "We're going to play a lot of zone!" Yeah. He really said that.

 

2. One turd tells me "I don't want to be part of a family/connected with other fans and the players, I just want to win". I will see that guy when Brady/Belechick leave, his team sucks, and he's standing in Foxboro's parking lot by himself before/after the game. That was like the opposite of a humble brag. My response: "Why even say that at all...if not to acknowledge that what Bills fans have is better?" Man, you wanna talk about deflation? I thought he was gonna cry. Talk about "No reply at all"

 

3. "You keep tallking about the Bills offense, I notice you haven't said much about our D, whose last action against Brady saw him get chased. Then we knocked the crap out of Garrapolo after he came in cocky. You've lost key players on O, while we've gotten better on D, and now have Rex Ryan coaching. We're the consensus #1 Defense in football. Now what?". Capital D Deflation.

 

Poor simpleton Pats fans. There's so much they know that isn't so.

 

Finally, we have stick checks in lacrosse. The refs either randomly take a stick and check it when and if they want to, or depending on league rules, always check at least one stick every half/quarter. Same thing can be done with footballs.

Edited May 20, 2015 by OCinBuffalo

[Dibs]

Pats Fans Report: I was in Boston this past weekend, and got to hear a lot of Patriot fan opinions. Most were garbage. Some don't even know that Rex Ryan is the Bills coach, or that Pegula bought the team. A few actually thought the "Bills to LA" thing was still in play. /facepalm

 

1. However, one interesting question was:

"The refs spot the ball on every single play. Can't they tell if a ball is deflated by mere "feel"? The group I was with was divided: some said of course, refs have been doing this for years. Others said it was impossible to tell. Nobody could prove anything, and nobody wants to buy 2 NFL balls for the experiment. But, you would think somebody in the media would do that.

 

2. I have thought it was going to be 2 games since the beginning of this mess. 2 games, after the appeal, which is why they went 4 games initially. This, plus Goddell handling it himself, is all a way to make him look "judicious" after the Ray Rice mess. Some of the Pats fans were deluding themselves thinking that Brady was going to get off clean, but were corrected by others who essentially said the 1-2 games he will get on appeal are for "lying when you didn't have to"... whatever that means.

 

I didn't say anything about "deflate gate". Why bother? I enjoyed the schadenfreude. As a deflection, some of the Pats fans initially tried scoffing at me regarding our team, and of course 1-2 were being real d!cks. However, I hit them with facts/tough questions, just like I do here:

 

1. "Who in your secondary can cover Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield...once, never mind the whole game? And, how do you cover them all at the same time? Even with average QB play, somebody is going to be open, every play." That question made me the real deflator! You should have seen their faces. I deflated an entire party of 60 people. One poor bastard's half-hearted reply: "We're going to play a lot of zone!" Yeah. He really said that.

 

2. One turd tells me "I don't want to be part of a family/connected with other fans and the players, I just want to win". I will see that guy when Brady/Belechick leave, his team sucks, and he's standing in Foxboro's parking lot by himself before/after the game. That was like the opposite of a humble brag. My response: "Why even say that at all...if not to acknowledge that what Bills fans have is better?" Man, you wanna talk about deflation? I thought he was gonna cry. Talk about "No reply at all"

 

3. "You keep tallking about the Bills offense, I notice you haven't said much about our D, whose last action against Brady saw him get chased. Then we knocked the crap out of Garrapolo after he came in cocky. You've lost key players on O, while we've gotten better on D, and now have Rex Ryan coaching. We're the consensus #1 Defense in football. Now what?". Capital D Deflation.

 

Poor simpleton Pats fans. There's so much they know that isn't so.

 

Finally, we have stick checks in lacrosse. The refs either randomly take a stick and check it when and if they want to, or depending on league rules, always check at least one stick every half/quarter. Same thing can be done with footballs.

Link?

[Mr. WEO]

:

 

1. "Who in your secondary can cover Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield...once, never mind the whole game? And, how do you cover them all at the same time? Even with average QB play, somebody is going to be open, every play." That question made me the real deflator! You should have seen their faces. I deflated an entire party of 60 people. One poor bastard's half-hearted reply: "We're going to play a lot of zone!" Yeah. He really said that.

 

 

 

Maybe they didn't really think the Bills were going to have Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield on the field "all at the same time" "on every play" "the whole game".

[DC Tom]

 

 

Maybe they didn't really think the Bills were going to have Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield on the field "all at the same time" "on every play" "the whole game".

 

Why not? Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, Hogan, McCoy, plus a QB and four linemen.

 

As you've argued many times, that's a perfectly legal personnel grouping...

[Dorkington]

 

Why not? Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, Hogan, McCoy, plus a QB and four linemen.

 

As you've argued many times, that's a perfectly legal personnel grouping...

And just tell the ref who is ineligible last second every play. That's legal, right?

[Mr. WEO]

 

Why not? Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, Hogan, McCoy, plus a QB and four linemen.

 

As you've argued many times, that's a perfectly legal personnel grouping...

 

There's no question it's legal. Especially when they announce it over the PA system.

 

Anyway, this kind of "trick" would only fool an opposing coach once...

[DrDawkinstein]

Actually, it's no longer legal as of this offseason.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12556985/new-england-patriots-formation-now-ruled-illegal-substitution

 

This is one place I actually side with Belichick. It was within the rules, just a little tricky. You could argue the "sportsmanship" of it, but that seems like whining to me. It's stuff like this that makes the actual cheating even worse, imo. He's obviously a great football mind and good at maximizing their value within the rules given. Going outside the rules just cheapens his entire genius. But he's hardly the first man lost to a hyper-competitive obsession with winning.

Edited May 20, 2015 by DrDareustein

[eball]

Actually, it's no longer legal as of this offseason.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12556985/new-england-patriots-formation-now-ruled-illegal-substitution

 

This is one place I actually side with Belichick. It was within the rules, just a little tricky. You could argue the "sportsmanship" of it, but that seems like whining to me. It's stuff like this that makes the actual cheating even worse, imo. He's obviously a great football mind and good at maximizing their value within the rules given. Going outside the rules just cheapens his entire genius. But he's hardly the first man lost to a hyper-competitive obsession with winning.

 

Within the rules doesn't mean within the spirit of the rules, and that's why it was still a dickhead move. NFL defenses deserve to know who is and is not eligible to catch a pass when they line up -- not at the last second. Belichick doesn't respect the game, he only wants to win -- at any cost.

[OCinBuffalo]

 

 

Maybe they didn't really think the Bills were going to have Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Goodwin, 7/11 or Shady/Fred out of the backfield on the field "all at the same time" "on every play" "the whole game".

A lawyer with reading comprehension problems?

 

Read it again. The first question has an "or" in it, not an "and". Hint: "Or" doesn't mean "and". The second question distinguishes itself as a separate condition, because it starts with "And,". "Them" is intentionally not specific nor is it inclusive. Them is general, and "all at the same time" clearly refers to covering many players at once, and, due to the separate condition, and the use of "or" in the first sentence, cannot refer to all listed players being on the field at the same time. Either way your interpretation is wrong.

 

You conflated the meaning of 2 separate and disctinct sentences, for reasons passing understanding. Nice work, counselor. Aren't language skills important in your job?

[NoSaint]

 

Within the rules doesn't mean within the spirit of the rules, and that's why it was still a dickhead move. NFL defenses deserve to know who is and is not eligible to catch a pass when they line up -- not at the last second. Belichick doesn't respect the game, he only wants to win -- at any cost.

if the nfl players were aware of the formational rules, they wouldve immediately known who was eligible. there were high school coaches making fun of the ravens players for not being able to read the formation and being confused by the numbers.

 

the players were also signaled, and announced over the PA.

 

was it pushing beyond common practice? definitely - but at some point the ravens have to man up and admit that not knowing the basic rules of formations was part of their problem, and their own fault. the lack of understanding rules by some nfl players is amazing, and i cant blame a coach for wanting to target the lack of fundamentals.

[Kelly the Dog]

if the nfl players were aware of the formational rules, they wouldve immediately known who was eligible. there were high school coaches making fun of the ravens players for not being able to read the formation and being confused by the numbers.

 

the players were also signaled, and announced over the PA.

 

was it pushing beyond common practice? definitely - but at some point the ravens have to man up and admit that not knowing the basic rules of formations was part of their problem, and their own fault. the lack of understanding rules by some nfl players is amazing, and i cant blame a coach for wanting to target the lack of fundamentals.

They were erring on the side of precaution. They may have heard the PA system but they probably weren't going to let a RB in the slot who can catch the ball be completely uncovered. They probably didn't trust the refs more than anything. Besides, the Pats were actually trying to catch them for the following plays by leaving the guys in there who then didn't report in and were no longer ineligible so when they lined up in the same spot the next play they would indeed be eligible. One might say that is clever, I would say that is gaming the system and cheating because of the spirit versus letter argument.

[Kelly the Dog]

And, in a seemingly endless series of lies put out by the Patriots, Ian Rapapport reported Goodell just said that the NFL did not tell the Patriots to suspend Needledee and Needledum, that was all the Patriots.

[DC Tom]

They were erring on the side of precaution. They may have heard the PA system but they probably weren't going to let a RB in the slot who can catch the ball be completely uncovered. They probably didn't trust the refs more than anything.

 

"Heard it over the PA" at Gillette Stadium?

 

Besides, the Pats were actually trying to catch them for the following plays by leaving the guys in there who then didn't report in and were no longer ineligible so when they lined up in the same spot the next play they would indeed be eligible. One might say that is clever, I would say that is gaming the system and cheating because of the spirit versus letter argument.

 

Actually, that's not even "gaming the system." That's flat-out, no-question-about-it illegal - either an illegal substitution or illegal formation.

[eball]

if the nfl players were aware of the formational rules, they wouldve immediately known who was eligible. there were high school coaches making fun of the ravens players for not being able to read the formation and being confused by the numbers.

 

the players were also signaled, and announced over the PA.

 

was it pushing beyond common practice? definitely - but at some point the ravens have to man up and admit that not knowing the basic rules of formations was part of their problem, and their own fault. the lack of understanding rules by some nfl players is amazing, and i cant blame a coach for wanting to target the lack of fundamentals.

But haven't the rules been changed because the league didn't agree with all of those HS coaches laughing at the Ravens?

 

They were erring on the side of precaution. They may have heard the PA system but they probably weren't going to let a RB in the slot who can catch the ball be completely uncovered. They probably didn't trust the refs more than anything. Besides, the Pats were actually trying to catch them for the following plays by leaving the guys in there who then didn't report in and were no longer ineligible so when they lined up in the same spot the next play they would indeed be eligible. One might say that is clever, I would say that is gaming the system and cheating because of the spirit versus letter argument.

 

Good rebuttal.

[NoSaint]

But haven't the rules been changed because the league didn't agree with all of those HS coaches laughing at the Ravens?

 

 

teams decided they didnt like it, and thats fine.

 

it doesnt change that the ravens got hit for not knowing fundamental rules. the pats likely got the idea after seeing it work for college programs. they werent the first or only - and if i recall another nfl team was said to have done it recently before they did too (but im not wading into that thread again).

 

hit them for the deflation but its silly to point at this as an "offense" that compounds their situation.

 

"Heard it over the PA" at Gillette Stadium?

 

 

heard over the PA? yea, it was picked up on videos from the game. and the ref signaled the players ineligible too.

[Kelly the Dog]

teams decided they didnt like it, and thats fine.

 

it doesnt change that the ravens got hit for not knowing fundamental rules. the pats likely got the idea after seeing it work for college programs. they werent the first or only - and if i recall another nfl team was said to have done it recently before they did too (but im not wading into that thread again).

 

hit them for the deflation but its silly to point at this as an "offense" that compounds their situation.

 

heard over the PA? yea, it was picked up on videos from the game. and the ref signaled the players ineligible too.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that this should have anything to do with the Deflategate fines or suspensions, and it shouldn't be mentioned as such.

 

It could, however, be argued that in his 15 or so year history with the Patriots, Brady has been around several if not numerous examples of gaming the system as "the Patriot Way," sees nothing really wrong with cheating especially if you do not get caught, and therefore took it upon himself to "game the system" and let air out of the balls to help him get any advantage he could to win.

 

I don't know, and do not at all think that should be taken into account in Deflategate, but I do genuinely believe that had a factor in Brady's decision.