Dibs Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Carmen Policy included a fictitious year in Jim Druckenmiller's contract to gain more salary cap room by amortizing the bonus; he reduced Steve Young's salary that year to sign Drunknstupid, moving the unpaid salary to the following year without negotiation or disclosure, and negotiated a bonus for Brent Young to be paid after retirement so it didn't count against the cap. No team can legally do that, now or then. It was extremely against the rules. ...... I knew I'd regret not adding "unless somebody can correct me". Thanks for the info. It seems Papazoid is right on two fronts....it isn't talked about much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not to mention that he brought in a ball from the sidelines that clearly wasn't checked pregame by the officials because that is unnecessary when you are just going to steal them anyway. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the officials don't write down the pressure. You can do anything you want if the refs don't fill out the paperwork. I knew I'd regret not adding "unless somebody can correct me". Thanks for the info. It seems Papazoid is right on two fronts....it isn't talked about much. In your defense, it took me a bit of digging for me to find that. When I googled it, most of the stories that come up are about DeBartolo's felony gambling conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 It wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the officials don't write down the pressure. You can do anything you want if the refs don't fill out the paperwork. That's another great one. It's not enough that their job is to just make sure the balls are legal and between 13.5 and 12.5, they're supposed to write down the precise number just in case a team steals the balls and deflates them we know whether they cheated a lot or a really lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That's another great one. It's not enough that their job is to just make sure the balls are legal and between 13.5 and 12.5, they're supposed to write down the precise number just in case a team steals the balls and deflates them we know whether they cheated a lot or a really lot. That's if it were cheating...which it's not, because even though it's against the rules.it doesn't impact the outcome of the game. But the officials should still totally keep track of that measurement to prove that people who aren't cheating aren't breaking the rules when they don't cheat. And that goes double when you're caught not cheating in an illegal sting operation that results in a fine illegal under an agreement that doesn't apply to the situation, and results in the player who didn't cheat when he broke the rules being suspended in violation of state consumer protection laws and some sort of federal...something. Shut up! You're just envious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That's if it were cheating...which it's not, because even though it's against the rules.it doesn't impact the outcome of the game. But the officials should still totally keep track of that measurement to prove that people who aren't cheating aren't breaking the rules when they don't cheat. And that goes double when you're caught not cheating in an illegal sting operation that results in a fine illegal under an agreement that doesn't apply to the situation, and results in the player who didn't cheat when he broke the rules being suspended in violation of state consumer protection laws and some sort of federal...something. Shut up! You're just envious! Jail time for everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Jail time for everyone! Too easy on them. Send them to the Jaguars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That's if it were cheating...which it's not, because even though it's against the rules.it doesn't impact the outcome of the game. But the officials should still totally keep track of that measurement to prove that people who aren't cheating aren't breaking the rules when they don't cheat. And that goes double when you're caught not cheating in an illegal sting operation that results in a fine illegal under an agreement that doesn't apply to the situation, and results in the player who didn't cheat when he broke the rules being suspended in violation of state consumer protection laws and some sort of federal...something. Shut up! You're just envious! Why do they hate our lies??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Brady will never miss a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That's if it were cheating...which it's not, because even though it's against the rules.it doesn't impact the outcome of the game. But the officials should still totally keep track of that measurement to prove that people who aren't cheating aren't breaking the rules when they don't cheat. And that goes double when you're caught not cheating in an illegal sting operation that results in a fine illegal under an agreement that doesn't apply to the situation, and results in the player who didn't cheat when he broke the rules being suspended in violation of state consumer protection laws and some sort of federal...something. Shut up! You're just envious! He's on fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 IF Brady* plays in game 1 the non Putrids fans should protest and picket the game outside the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Brady will never miss a game He'll miss games. He'll appeal but he won't have any ground to stand on because "they did it on their own" will be met with laughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 He'll miss games. He'll appeal but he won't have any ground to stand on because "they did it on their own" will be met with laughter. ive been saying it for awhile now.... but who the hell knows what the nfl will do with all this. pegging nfl punishments and process as an outsider is like throwing darts blindfolded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 He'll miss games. He'll appeal but he won't have any ground to stand on because "they did it on their own" will be met with laughter. the WSJ has this Sports Attorney on Brady: Don’t Expect NFL to Budge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 the WSJ has this Sports Attorney on Brady: Dont Expect NFL to Budge Oh thank god. I'm tired of hearing people go on that we should expect a full overturn of all games. I would be annoyed of they knocked it down to one game. I would have a stroke if it was zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Manning and Brady convinced the league you could ignore the rules and use whatever ball you wanted and do whatever you wanted because the rules don't apply to you? No, not quite. Manning and Brady (along with the consensus of most QBs at the time) told the NFL that they should be able to use whatever balls they wanted: new, old, "broken in"--and the NFL agreed. So had Manning et al made their demand before the 2004 season, the appearance of a broken in ball on the field wouldn't have been notable. In other words, the NFL saw no competitive advantage in allowing a boken in ball, so they let QBs do what they want with them before games--except to alter the arbitrarily arrived at proper ball PSI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 No, not quite. Manning and Brady (along with the consensus of most QBs at the time) told the NFL that they should be able to use whatever balls they wanted: new, old, "broken in"--and the NFL agreed. So had Manning et al made their demand before the 2004 season, the appearance of a broken in ball on the field wouldn't have been notable. In other words, the NFL saw no competitive advantage in allowing a boken in ball, so they let QBs do what they want with them before games--except to alter the arbitrarily arrived at proper ball PSI... Totally false. The NFL had clear rules about the balls before 2006. They had to be checked and approved by officials. They were usually brand new. The 12.5-13.5 psi has been in place since 1940 and possibly before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 the initial rules were the balls were delivered to the referees and available to the teams 2 hours prior to the game http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 the initial rules were the balls were delivered to the referees and available to the teams 2 hours prior to the game http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game. That really has nothing to do with anything. Those new balls are just for kicking and they determined there was no problem with them. The 24 balls are provided by the teams and are already broken in by them to their liking. It's also worth noting though that the maker of the footballs, Wilson, say they could not lower in PSI that amount by atmospheric conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 That really has nothing to do with anything. Those new balls are just for kicking and they determined there was no problem with them. The 24 balls are provided by the teams and are already broken in by them to their liking. It's also worth noting though that the maker of the footballs, Wilson, say they could not lower in PSI that amount by atmospheric conditions. What would they know about football PSI?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Dansby coming out and saying Patriots cheated against them as even years ago. Ha. Hopefully the link works http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/dansby-suspects-foul-play-from-2008-game-in-new-england/ Edited May 14, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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