sabrecrazed Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I've never even been on ppp. In fact, I've never even seen or looked for the link. I waste way too much of my time on here as it is. At least on here, every once in a blue moon, you can construct an argument in a manner that can lead people to change the way they think about things. I've worked in corporate America and debated conservatives for hours on end. It is futile for them as well as myself. Here is an argument I witnessed in the office once that sums up conservatives and their unwillingness to budge: guy #1: being gay is not a choice that people make. Guy #2: yes it is. Guy #1: hey gay guy, come here for a second. Did you ever decide to be gay or were you born the way you are. Gay guy: of course the latter. Guy #2: sorry, I don't believe you. Now what in the world can be gained from debating with someone like that? I've found it much more enjoyable and certainly much less frustrating to just sit back and make fun of people I disagree with politically with those whom I agree with rather than try and engage those with whom I will never see eye to eye. Which isn't to say that there aren't certain issues where I do agree with conservatives, but on those I don't, going on ppp certainly isn't gonna turn me into a birther or a gravity denier or whatever your cause d'jour is, much the same way I'm not gonna turn you into a tree hugger or one who sympathizes with the less fortunate or believes scientists over rush limbaugh. So let's keep it to football. Wow...now this post is pure comedic genius. ...and you think those you disagree with are the unreasonable ones? (bolded) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I've never even been on ppp. In fact, I've never even seen or looked for the link. I waste way too much of my time on here as it is. At least on here, every once in a blue moon, you can construct an argument in a manner that can lead people to change the way they think about things. I've worked in corporate America and debated conservatives for hours on end. It is futile for them as well as myself. Here is an argument I witnessed in the office once that sums up conservatives and their unwillingness to budge: guy #1: being gay is not a choice that people make. Guy #2: yes it is. Guy #1: hey gay guy, come here for a second. Did you ever decide to be gay or were you born the way you are. Gay guy: of course the latter. Guy #2: sorry, I don't believe you. Now what in the world can be gained from debating with someone like that? I've found it much more enjoyable and certainly much less frustrating to just sit back and make fun of people I disagree with politically with those whom I agree with rather than try and engage those with whom I will never see eye to eye. Which isn't to say that there aren't certain issues where I do agree with conservatives, but on those I don't, going on ppp certainly isn't gonna turn me into a birther or a gravity denier or whatever your cause d'jour is, much the same way I'm not gonna turn you into a tree hugger or one who sympathizes with the less fortunate or believes scientists over rush limbaugh. So let's keep it to football. I've always thought whether the former or latter for how someone lives their life, why does it even matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I've never even been on ppp. In fact, I've never even seen or looked for the link. I waste way too much of my time on here as it is. At least on here, every once in a blue moon, you can construct an argument in a manner that can lead people to change the way they think about things. I've worked in corporate America and debated conservatives for hours on end. It is futile for them as well as myself. Here is an argument I witnessed in the office once that sums up conservatives and their unwillingness to budge: guy #1: being gay is not a choice that people make. Guy #2: yes it is. Guy #1: hey gay guy, come here for a second. Did you ever decide to be gay or were you born the way you are. Gay guy: of course the latter. Guy #2: sorry, I don't believe you. Now what in the world can be gained from debating with someone like that? I've found it much more enjoyable and certainly much less frustrating to just sit back and make fun of people I disagree with politically with those whom I agree with rather than try and engage those with whom I will never see eye to eye. Which isn't to say that there aren't certain issues where I do agree with conservatives, but on those I don't, going on ppp certainly isn't gonna turn me into a birther or a gravity denier or whatever your cause d'jour is, much the same way I'm not gonna turn you into a tree hugger or one who sympathizes with the less fortunate or believes scientists over rush limbaugh. So let's keep it to football. Your political analysis sounds pretty shallow and stereotypical, which is unfortunate because your football analysis is usually pretty good. Perhaps your political beliefs have more to do with your identity than any objective observations or reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I've never even been on ppp. In fact, I've never even seen or looked for the link. I waste way too much of my time on here as it is. At least on here, every once in a blue moon, you can construct an argument in a manner that can lead people to change the way they think about things. I've worked in corporate America and debated conservatives for hours on end. It is futile for them as well as myself. Here is an argument I witnessed in the office once that sums up conservatives and their unwillingness to budge: guy #1: being gay is not a choice that people make. Guy #2: yes it is. Guy #1: hey gay guy, come here for a second. Did you ever decide to be gay or were you born the way you are. Gay guy: of course the latter. Guy #2: sorry, I don't believe you. Now what in the world can be gained from debating with someone like that? I've found it much more enjoyable and certainly much less frustrating to just sit back and make fun of people I disagree with politically with those whom I agree with rather than try and engage those with whom I will never see eye to eye. Which isn't to say that there aren't certain issues where I do agree with conservatives, but on those I don't, going on ppp certainly isn't gonna turn me into a birther or a gravity denier or whatever your cause d'jour is, much the same way I'm not gonna turn you into a tree hugger or one who sympathizes with the less fortunate or believes scientists over rush limbaugh. So let's keep it to football. So, you come up with some anecdotal crap about witnessing a gay argument and not only attribute the side of the argument you don't like to a conservative, but paint all conservatives with a broad brush because of it? You then go on to insinuate that because I am a conservative that I must be a "birther", "gravity denier" (?) or a follower of whatever the cause of the day is. Well, guess what? I'm none of those and I respect the environment, sympathize with the truly less fortunate and believe science (not necessarily scientists) over Rush Limbaugh. This is what I don't get: You write well and as Rob said, your football analysis seems cogent and well informed. How can you be so ignorant to blatantly take ill informed and biased shots at conservatives from behind a wall, and then say "let's keep it to football"? The whole premise of my OP was to mock you guys for this kind of cowardness, so why would you continue to perpetuate it? A truly intelligent person would have gotten what I was doing and would have made the decision to either cease making political comments here at TSW or join the fray at PPP and maybe learn something. You have stated that you would rather stay in your cocoon with the people you already agree with and make fun of people who see things differently than you do. How did you come up with your beliefs then? If I were in your situation I think I would question the entire basis of my philosophy, being that it must have been handed to you by someone else, and you haven't seen it necessary to vett it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Can you politicizing people take the BS to the PPP!!! and you wonder why you guys get so much grief. You can't even comply with simple requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 He was good in Big Daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Your political analysis sounds pretty shallow and stereotypical, which is unfortunate because your football analysis is usually pretty good. Perhaps your political beliefs have more to do with your identity than any objective observations or reasoning. I appreciate the compliment regarding my football analysis but I'm not sure what I said here regarding any sort of political analysis that is controversial at all. All I was trying to say was that it's every bit as futile for a conservative to debate me as it is vice versa. When it comes to social issues, people are usually pretty set in their ways. In the history of me debating politics/social issues, listening to the talking heads on the right and left, etc., I've never once changed my mind about something that I felt strongly about to begin with and I'm pretty sure I've never changed anyone else's mind either. This conversation recalls the classic saying, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." So, you come up with some anecdotal crap about witnessing a gay argument and not only attribute the side of the argument you don't like to a conservative, but paint all conservatives with a broad brush because of it? You then go on to insinuate that because I am a conservative that I must be a "birther", "gravity denier" (?) or a follower of whatever the cause of the day is. Well, guess what? I'm none of those and I respect the environment, sympathize with the truly less fortunate and believe science (not necessarily scientists) over Rush Limbaugh. This is what I don't get: You write well and as Rob said, your football analysis seems cogent and well informed. How can you be so ignorant to blatantly take ill informed and biased shots at conservatives from behind a wall, and then say "let's keep it to football"? The whole premise of my OP was to mock you guys for this kind of cowardness, so why would you continue to perpetuate it? A truly intelligent person would have gotten what I was doing and would have made the decision to either cease making political comments here at TSW or join the fray at PPP and maybe learn something. You have stated that you would rather stay in your cocoon with the people you already agree with and make fun of people who see things differently than you do. How did you come up with your beliefs then? If I were in your situation I think I would question the entire basis of my philosophy, being that it must have been handed to you by someone else, and you haven't seen it necessary to vett it. So let me get this straight: You are criticizing me for taking subtle jabs at modern conservative ideals (every last one of the Republicans running for the nomination will spout anti-environment, anti-less fortunate and certainly anti-science rhetoric during the primaries- you seem smart enough to realize that) and are telling me that it's cowardly (by the way it's "cowardice" not 'cowardness') to do so in this forum yet in your own signature- which is displayed every time you post in this forum- you have a bunch of anti-democratic quotes? And one of them is by none other than Larry the Cable Guy? So every time I'm looking to just talk football with you I have to read a joke- by Larry the Cable Guy mind you- about how liberals are stupid? Just making sure. Edited May 13, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 He was good in Big Daddy. Jon Stewart's best work.................. The Adventures of Tom Thumb & Thumbelina Godfrey (voice) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 He was good in Big Daddy. I forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) That movie was terrible, even Dave Chappelle said it. Edited May 13, 2015 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 That movie was terrible, even Dave Chappelle said it. Terrible might be overselling it. But it's the one scene I always think of whenever I think of Stewart's acting career for some f'd up reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 That movie was terrible, even Dave Chappelle said it. It's not terrible. It definitely has its moments. Jim Breuer sucks but Scarface is amazing in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 It's not terrible. It definitely has its moments. Jim Breuer sucks but Scarface is amazing in it. It depends on your state of sobriety while watching perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I appreciate the compliment regarding my football analysis but I'm not sure what I said here regarding any sort of political analysis that is controversial at all. All I was trying to say was that it's every bit as futile for a conservative to debate me as it is vice versa. When it comes to social issues, people are usually pretty set in their ways. In the history of me debating politics/social issues, listening to the talking heads on the right and left, etc., I've never once changed my mind about something that I felt strongly about to begin with and I'm pretty sure I've never changed anyone else's mind either. This conversation recalls the classic saying, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." I don't have any problem with that. Your post seemed to impute the words of some (*^*&%^$^#you work with to conservatives generally, and seemed to imply that anyone right of center is Rick Santorum. It may not have been your intent, but I took your line about empathy to mean that fiscal conservatives who don't support liberal "solutions" do so out of a lack of empathy for their fellow man; which is the logical equivalent of saying if you don't support making EJ the starter that you don't care about the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I don't have any problem with that. Your post seemed to impute the words of some (*^*&%^$^#you work with to conservatives generally, and seemed to imply that anyone right of center is Rick Santorum. It may not have been your intent, but I took your line about empathy to mean that fiscal conservatives who don't support liberal "solutions" do so out of a lack of empathy for their fellow man; which is the logical equivalent of saying if you don't support making EJ the starter that you don't care about the Bills. If I implied that every conservative was like my former co-worker then I apologize, that was not my intent. My point was more to show how futile it is to argue with anyone who is set in their ways. I can see how you interpreted it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I appreciate the compliment regarding my football analysis but I'm not sure what I said here regarding any sort of political analysis that is controversial at all. All I was trying to say was that it's every bit as futile for a conservative to debate me as it is vice versa. When it comes to social issues, people are usually pretty set in their ways. In the history of me debating politics/social issues, listening to the talking heads on the right and left, etc., I've never once changed my mind about something that I felt strongly about to begin with and I'm pretty sure I've never changed anyone else's mind either. This conversation recalls the classic saying, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." So let me get this straight: You are criticizing me for taking subtle jabs at modern conservative ideals (every last one of the Republicans running for the nomination will spout anti-environment, anti-less fortunate and certainly anti-science rhetoric during the primaries- you seem smart enough to realize that) and are telling me that it's cowardly (by the way it's "cowardice" not 'cowardness') to do so in this forum yet in your own signature- which is displayed every time you post in this forum- you have a bunch of anti-democratic quotes? And one of them is by none other than Larry the Cable Guy? So every time I'm looking to just talk football with you I have to read a joke- by Larry the Cable Guy mind you- about how liberals are stupid? Just making sure. Hey, thanks for correcting me not only on the use of cowardice but by agreeing that you have been acting like one. The rest of your nonsense doesn't address the issue of you guys taking jabs at and even making unfounded assumptions against conservatives and then running and hiding behind a wall. You have basically said that you are quite comfortable in your little cocoon surrounded by equally closed-minded people, and that you have no will to change even if proven wrong. As far as my signature goes, I have no anti-democratic quotes other than the one made by our resident liberal pBrain (pBills) at the time. As far as the Larry The Cable Guy joke goes how would you characterize a group of people who take jabs at another group but won't educate themselves regarding that group? I could think of worse names than stupid. "There are none so blind than those who refuse to see". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 If I implied that every conservative was like my former co-worker then I apologize, that was not my intent. My point was more to show how futile it is to argue with anyone who is set in their ways. I can see how you interpreted it that way. I got you. I agree that it's futile to try to change the minds of others. Most of the time people don't even agree on a common goal before arguing how to get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Here's the thing...Jon doesn't set out to offend conservatives or any particular party...he simply offers "common sense" commentary on the ridiculous things politicians and other public figures say, and it just so happens the majority of those come from the right wing. I found he takes statements out of context and misrepresents to fit his leftist narrative. Don't watch him for that reason. Not sad he's retiring in fact kind of pleased. He is just another propaganda tool of the left. I find it funny his brother is a former big shot on the NYSE and that he felt it necessary to change his name from Leibowitz to Stewart. Edited May 13, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I found he takes statements out of context and misrepresents to fit his leftist narrative. Don't watch him for that reason. Not sad he's retiring in fact kind of pleased. He is just another propaganda tool of the left. I find it funny his brother is a former big shot on the NYSE and that he felt it necessary to change his name from Leibowitz to Stewart. i said initially that i did not find stewart funny, which took the thread in a different direction . i find that the little i have seen of stewart , mostly due to clips shown on various cable shows, i know where he is going a mile away.. his grimaces, the lemmings howling in the audience, just not my cup of tea.the guy gets more mileage out of sarah palin jokes than anybody. just too predictable, like i said. the funniest man currently on the planet is larry david, a liberal, in every sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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