YoloinOhio Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Obj had 2nd least @thadbrown7: How about this: Per @FO_ScottKacsmar Sammy Watkins had 2nd most uncatchable throws in 2014. Odell Beckham 2nd least. Have at it #Billsmafia @FO_ScottKacsmar: 2014 Highest rate of Uncatchable Targets 1. Cecil Shorts 37.3% 2. Sammy Watkins 34.4% 3. A.Hawkins 32.1% 4. VJax 31.0% 5. Mike Wallace 30.4 @FO_ScottKacsmar: Lowest rate of Uncatchable targets, 2014 WR 1. Jarvis Landry 15.2% 2. Odell Beckham Jr. 16.2% 3. Roddy White 16.8% @FO_ScottKacsmar: Uncatchable = ball overthrown, underthrown, thrown away, QB hit in motion, batted at line, tipped by teammate Edited May 6, 2015 by YoloinOhio
FireChan Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) So Sammy > ODB? Or are they uncatchable because he plays like a DB? Edited May 6, 2015 by FireChan
The Wiz Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 EJ's fault. His 4 games last year inflated the uncatchable balls so badly that Orton is going to get a bad rap.
KollegeStudnet Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Almost 35% uncatchable sums up the Orton to Sammy era! Edited May 6, 2015 by KollegeStudnet
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Add that to the fact that ODB had 20 catches at or behind the LOS and Sammy had 4 and maybe the stats don't look so different.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 EJ's fault. His 4 games last year inflated the uncatchable balls so badly that Orton is going to get a bad rap. Haha. Orton won us that game against Detroit with that bullet to Sammy. Sammy is a beast. Now throw him some screens and slants and let him do work.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 EJ's fault. His 4 games last year inflated the uncatchable balls so badly that Orton is going to get a bad rap. beat me too it though I would have stopped at EJ's fault.
Doc Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 No surprise there. I've been saying I'd rather have Manning at QB than EJ/Orton.
GG Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Did anyone not think this was the case? I can think of a few...
TheJuice Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 The line play is as much or more responsible for this as the QBs. Manual succumbed to and escaped a good amount of immediate pressure early on in the season. Orton did turtle a lot and it got worse as time went on. There is a reason for that. I recall seeing a lot of pass plays that were dead before they even got started. Having 2-3 turnstiles on the line makes moving the ball a bit of a challenge. This upcoming season hinges on getting passable line play, which we haven't had in a couple years. It'll be interesting to see whether the first team offense practices mainly passing from the pocket (Cassel) or passing on the run, outside the pocket (EJ/Taylor). I really can't wait to see what Roman comes up with for this group. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if we see nothing of the actual offense until week 1. The element of surprise will be needed in the first couple weeks especially. We need to win both of those games and it's more than possible. We cannot fall behind in the AFC race like we did so early last year.
FLFan Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Did anyone not think this was the case? Apparently many people, in and outside the Bills fan community, as we have been treated to a steady diet of "the Bills could have had OBJ by staying put". The two are not comparable. Watkins is the better player by far, but was hamstrung by the leagues worst OC and Kyle "checking out now" Orton.
Chandler#81 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 EJ's fault. His 4 games last year inflated the uncatchable balls so badly that Orton is going to get a bad rap. I'm sure you're saying that in jest -and I don't care about Orton, but yes, IMO, it's ALL on the inaccurate, mediocre-at-best over reach QB from -wait for it.. FSU. Many here simply refuse to accept it, but there's a REASON he never saw the field again.
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 I'm sure you're saying that in jest -and I don't care about Orton, but yes, IMO, it's ALL on the inaccurate, mediocre-at-best over reach QB from -wait for it.. FSU. Many here simply refuse to accept it, but there's a REASON he never saw the field again. Keep up the crusade. You're changing the world.
Fadingpain Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Wait! Are we suggesting the QB position is important? And that you might want to line up a good one before moving heaven and earth to move up in the draft for a really good WR? Edited May 6, 2015 by Stopthepain
K-9 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Haha. Orton won us that game against Detroit with that bullet to Sammy. Sammy is a beast. Now throw him some screens and slants and let him do work. If Sammy didn't make that catch vs. the Lions, it would have been intercepted by the trailing DB. Still one of the best catches I've seen. And if I didn't know better, I'd swear there was a correlation between the QB and the ability for a receiver to catch his passes. GO BILLS!!!
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Apparently many people, in and outside the Bills fan community, as we have been treated to a steady diet of "the Bills could have had OBJ by staying put". The two are not comparable. Watkins is the better player by far, but was hamstrung by the leagues worst OC and Kyle "checking out now" Orton. ...eh, I love Sammy, but I wouldn't say that he's the better player "by far" just yet. However the Bills, if they didn't trade up, were going to take Ebron, not OBJ, and that would have been a major blunder. Again my major gripe was them not using their 2nd rounder last year instead of this year's 1st rounder. I'm sure you're saying that in jest -and I don't care about Orton, but yes, IMO, it's ALL on the inaccurate, mediocre-at-best over reach QB from -wait for it.. FSU. Many here simply refuse to accept it, but there's a REASON he never saw the field again. Yeah and that reason is now coaching OL in Jax. Where he belongs (and probably not even). If Sammy didn't make that catch vs. the Lions, it would have been intercepted by the trailing DB. Still one of the best catches I've seen. And if I didn't know better, I'd swear there was a correlation between the QB and the ability for a receiver to catch his passes. GO BILLS!!! I thought that Lions catch was the catch of the year. OBJ's outstretched one was amazing, but I thought Sammy's was more impressive.
FireChan Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 ...eh, I love Sammy, but I wouldn't say that he's the better player "by far" just yet. However the Bills, if they didn't trade up, were going to take Ebron, not OBJ, and that would have been a major blunder. Again my major gripe was them not using their 2nd rounder last year instead of this year's 1st rounder. Yeah and that reason is now coaching OL in Jax. Where he belongs (and probably not even). I thought that Lions catch was the catch of the year. OBJ's outstretched one was amazing, but I thought Sammy's was more impressive. Nah.
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