LB3 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Yea, but even before he claimed confidently not to be the father so what is driving that suspicion for you beyond it could make an interesting story? Really that encapsulates my whole point here. It's easy to write narratives but we don't have anything factual to base them on. There's literally no publicly available piece of evidence to suggest he had anything to do with it. But a lot of accusatory tweets that I think predisposed people to the idea he should be strongly suspected. I agree with what your overall point. As to the bolded, every father on Maury Povich knows with 100% certainty that they're not the father. Then comes either devastation or break dancing.
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) I agree with what your overall point. As to the bolded, every father on Maury Povich knows with 100% certainty that they're not the father. Then comes either devastation or break dancing.Yea but speaking out when he could've quietly waited- i would suspect his attorney would've advised against those public assertions if he wasn't pretty confident. It would be a very immediate breach of trust with both the public and investigators. Could be a bluff that happened to work out, but..... Â seriousness aside, now he gets to break dance in club in Miami while teams court him. Edited May 7, 2015 by NoSaint
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I thought I read that he hadn't seen her since september? If that's true...which is more possible now that we know he's not the father he would have almost no reason to kill her since he knows there is no way he has a child on the way. Obviously very possible he has seen her since but if you watch law and order the guy always says he hasn't seen her in a while and then BAM he's the baby daddy! It sounds like the police don't have much to go on here and there will be a dark cloud over this kid's head until the murderer gets nabbed. From September to the murder was ~7 months. He could have been the father.
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) From September to the murder was ~7 months. He could have been the father. Not speaking to her since September doesn't mean they had a sex in September - possibly the reason he was saying confidently in public he was not the father is they weren't hooking up in the last 8-9 months. Edited May 7, 2015 by NoSaint
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Not speaking to her since September doesn't mean they had a sex in September - possibly the reason he was saying confidently in public he was not the father is they weren't hooking up in the last 8-9 months. True, but that's his assertion. Did they say how old the baby appeared to be post-conceptual age-wise?
Lurker Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Good in-depth update: Â http://theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/12303884-123/source-former-lsu-ol-lael
K-9 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) That's not really much of a rebuttal.  Here's the full quote: "Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation."  Also, here's a link to a program and educational brief from a Marv Levy lecture.  Heart of a Hall of Famer Series: Marv Levy - Extreme Networks  Notice the items listed under the learning objectives section. These are what I think Marv meant by character. It sounds to me like he wanted to build a team of players that the community and the nation can be proud of. I'm not sure how proud you can be of wife beaters, bullies and murderers.  If you think you know something different the say what you think it means and back it up with some researcph. Otherwise, your argument is basically worthless. I didn't offer the question as a rebutal. And your own rebuttal, detailed as it was, isn't close to what he meant by character as it pertains to a football team. GO BILLS!!! Edited May 7, 2015 by K-9
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 On his way to meet with Dallas  @JasonLaCanfora: The courting of La'el Collins is well underway, and he's on his way to his first visit now: http://t.co/9WVcxqWNL6
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 Whoever gets this guy may realize that he's a great player but not a great human being, not saying he's not but his choices in dating makes Winston look a little better, if that's possible.
Lurker Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 detailed as it was, isn't close to what he meant by character as it pertains to a football team.   Agreed. Here's how Marv put it in his own words...  http://buffalorising.com/2012/06/marv-levy-tells-us-how-he-motivate-the-buffalo-bills/  "How did we select motivated players? We tried to select only intensely motivated players. The game plan for success was simple, but it wasn’t easy. If you can run, throw, block, tackle, catch and kick better than your opponent, you will win. This requires good PR. Not public relations. But preparation and resilience. It is not about the will to win, but the will to prepare."   http://cjonline.com/stories/080401/spo_halloffame.shtml#.VUrfLpI4nTY  "It takes tremendous qualities of character to get so disappointed, to get so knocked down, and then to pick yourself up and then go through all the hard work and dedication it takes to get back there," he said. "It was a very resilient group, guys who stuck together."
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Agreed. Here's how Marv put it in his own words... Â http://buffalorising.com/2012/06/marv-levy-tells-us-how-he-motivate-the-buffalo-bills/ Â "How did we select motivated players? We tried to select only intensely motivated players. The game plan for success was simple, but it wasnt easy. If you can run, throw, block, tackle, catch and kick better than your opponent, you will win. This requires good PR. Not public relations. But preparation and resilience. It is not about the will to win, but the will to prepare." Â Â http://cjonline.com/stories/080401/spo_halloffame.shtml#.VUrfLpI4nTY Â "It takes tremendous qualities of character to get so disappointed, to get so knocked down, and then to pick yourself up and then go through all the hard work and dedication it takes to get back there," he said. "It was a very resilient group, guys who stuck together." Excellent example (as are k9s dozens on the topic)
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 Excellent example (as are k9s dozens on the topic) LOL, wow.
bbb Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 From September to the murder was ~7 months. He could have been the father. Â Damn, you really are a doctor!
Thurman#1 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I think it had to do with the message his agent put out that if he was drafted outside the first round he wouldn't sign and would reenter the draft next year. Also, if drafted you can only renegotiate contract after 3 years, undrafted is 2 years. Â Â Â Think the teams weren't aware of what he would do till his agent told them? Â Heck, I was aware of what he'd do if drafted late, and I'm no Brainiac.
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 @ProFootballTalk: Report: La'El Collins in Dallas to visit Cowboys http://t.co/eQOLE75RcB
Saint Doug Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 He was pulling out of the draft because he was a top 15 pick that was going to tumble until this got straightened out. It was a really expensive fall that he was trying to prevent. By trying to prevent it, he ensured it though. I just can't follow his logic. He must've received horrible advice from someone.
The Wiz Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 By trying to prevent it, he ensured it though. I just can't follow his logic. He must've received horrible advice from someone.Well his agent saying he wouldn't play if he was drafted after day 2 hurt the amount of money he would be making for sure.
mannc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 No stretch at all. Unless Collins is psychic, there was no way for him to know for sure whether he was the father or not. Hence the potential motive.Except that It is evidence that Collins did not have sex with her during the critical timeframe and/or that she was having sex with another during that time. If Collins was telling the cops that it could not have been his kid for one or both of those reasons (or for some other reason) then this fact would strongly support that narrative. And of course it means that there is someone else out there with a stronger motive than Collins to have done the deed. It is almost certainly good news for Collins.
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