Rob's House Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I think my response was above your head. I think that your "nuanced" response is guilty of the same logical fallacy that you are accusing other people of. Perhaps you're too blind to see that. What logical fallacy is that?
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) While I'm really hoping Rex made an impression on Monday night and we get a first round pick for free, I agree with this. They wanted to be moved into the supplemental draft before last Thursday. He wasn't drafted. Police have said he wasn't involved. Roger should snap out of heartless robot mode and understand this is a rare circumstance and help him get his career back on track.i know it probably means the Bills would not get him but just seems like common sense and the right thing to do. How do josh Gordon and Pryor get to go in the supp draft but not this kid? Supplemental draft was designed for players who experienced hardships and dealt with unprecedented circumstances. Edited May 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Big Blitz Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Rotoworld is reporting Collins wants to play tackle, which would make the fish longshots.... http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/10371/lael-Collins Thoughts on him playing tackle for Bills? They were already experimenting with sliding Glenn inside - not sure I understood or agreed with that one, but could Henderson slide into a guard spot? I gotta think it would be Glenn sliding inside whereupon he would immediately be great. He played G in college and was very good there. I think he could become an All Pro at the position. I don't think he'll like the idea of getting paid at less than a LT, but, I'm thinking Pegula bucks just may satisfy him. GO BILLS!!! They'll move Harris to Guard. This is what makes this interesting. No one can tell this guy he's guaranteed a job. He needs to determine where he has the best shot to start among other things. All Rex had to tell him was we had the worst oline in football last year. We added a guy out of football for a year and drafted a Guard at 80. You figure it out L'ael. He can't really go further then that.
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 No known motive now Passed a lie detector Proven not in the city Publicly not a suspect Met with police and answered every question And we still had someone saying they suspect him more after the paternity test. It's amazing how some latch onto a narrative once the media nudges towards it The paternity test doesn't rule out motive since Collins didn't know the results before the murder happened. And people can lie and still pass a polygraph test. What helps him the most right now is proof that he wasn't in the city that night. The next step is finding the killer.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 i know it probably means the Bills would not get him but just seems like common sense and the right thing to do. How do josh Gordon and Pryor get to go in the supp draft but not this kid? Supplemental draft was designed for players who experienced hardships and dealt with unprecedented circumstances.Agreed
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Brett Buffington just woke up apparently. He really gives off a Panda Watch vibe. @BrettBuffington: #BREAKING @BRPD confirms the #laelcollins submitted to a paternity test. Edited May 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 The paternity test doesn't rule out motive since Collins didn't know the results before the murder happened. And people can lie and still pass a polygraph test. What helps him the most right now is proof that he wasn't in the city that night. The next step is finding the killer. Still no known motive. We could argue she might've cut him off in traffic and it's a road rage incident possibly if we really want to keep options open but other than police wanting to chat with the fellow we have nothing that would point to him, and by itself that doesn't either. It's easy to construct stories but we just don't have anything factual that points at him yet was my point.
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I really hope that he and Rex made a connection over dinner. Because now that his name is getting more and more clear - it's becoming obvious he'll be able to go to any team in the NFL.
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Still no known motive. We could argue she might've cut him off in traffic and it's a road rage incident possibly if we really want to keep options open but other than police wanting to chat with the fellow we have nothing that would point to him, and by itself that doesn't either. It's easy to construct stories but we just don't have anything factual that points at him yet was my point. No, the motive could still be argued to be that he was trying to get rid of a baby and/or baby momma. Again he didn't know whether it was his prior to the murder. The negative paternity test just says that the child isn't his.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 No, the motive could still be argued to be that he was trying to get rid of a baby and/or baby momma. Again he didn't know whether it was his prior to the murder. The negative paternity test just says that the child isn't his. Wow, is this a stretch.
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Wow, is this a stretch. No stretch at all. Unless Collins is psychic, there was no way for him to know for sure whether he was the father or not. Hence the potential motive.
FireChan Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Wow, is this a stretch. No. When did he get the Paternity test?
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) No, the motive could still be argued to be that he was trying to get rid of a baby and/or baby momma. Again he didn't know whether it was his prior to the murder. The negative paternity test just says that the child isn't his. Yea, but even before he claimed confidently not to be the father so what is driving that suspicion for you beyond it could make an interesting story? Really that encapsulates my whole point here. It's easy to write narratives but we don't have anything factual to base them on. There's literally no publicly available piece of evidence to suggest he had anything to do with it. But a lot of accusatory tweets that I think predisposed people to the idea he should be strongly suspected. Edited May 7, 2015 by NoSaint
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Yea, but even before he claimed confidently not to be the father so what is driving that suspicion for you beyond it could make an interesting story? Really that encapsulates my whole point here. It's easy to write narratives but we don't have anything factual to base them on. I'm not saying I'm suspicious, just that you can't say that not being the father means there is no motive, his confidence notwithstanding. Had the paternity test been done before the murder, yes, then you can say there was no motive.
Saint Doug Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 They hadn't talked since September. You think out of the blue, 8months later he suddenly snapped over a fling being close to giving birth? I don't think that, but I'm sure the cops do. Haven't you ever watched Dateline? And if this was such a non-issue (he briefly dated some girl), what's with him trying to pull out of the draft? Seems to me that move gave this story a life of its own.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I don't think that, but I'm sure the cops do. Haven't you ever watched Dateline? And if this was such a non-issue (he briefly dated some girl), what's with him trying to pull out of the draft? Seems to me that move gave this story a life of its own. He was pulling out of the draft because he was a top 15 pick that was going to tumble until this got straightened out. It was a really expensive fall that he was trying to prevent.
aristocrat Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I thought I read that he hadn't seen her since september? If that's true...which is more possible now that we know he's not the father he would have almost no reason to kill her since he knows there is no way he has a child on the way. Obviously very possible he has seen her since but if you watch law and order the guy always says he hasn't seen her in a while and then BAM he's the baby daddy! It sounds like the police don't have much to go on here and there will be a dark cloud over this kid's head until the murderer gets nabbed.
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) flip your guards, I don't want 2 rookies on the same side I agree. Which side did miller play in college? EDIT: just read he started 40 something games at LG but alternated later on Edited May 7, 2015 by kr632
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