vincec Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I guess we're going to find out if Marv Levy was right when he said that talent without character will not win.
K-9 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I guess we're going to find out if Marv Levy was right when he said that talent without character will not win. Do you know what Marv Levy meant by "character?" GO BILLS!!!
Lurker Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Do you know what Marv Levy meant by "character?" GO BILLS!!! Apparently not...
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Do you know what Marv Levy meant by "character?" GO BILLS!!! A common problem around here
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 La'El is looking to be cleared, how long will this take ??
K-9 Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 A common problem around here Has been for years. I almost feel like explaining one more time, just for old time's sake. Almost. GO BILLS!!!
EmotionallyUnstable Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 La'El is looking to be cleared, how long will this take ?? He reportedly will begin meeting with teams officially on Saturday
Saint Doug Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Paternity tests results came back and Collins is not the father. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but the cops would say this gives Collins motive.
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but the cops would say this gives Collins motive. They hadn't talked since September. You think out of the blue, 8months later he suddenly snapped over a fling being close to giving birth?
Kirby Jackson Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but the cops would say this gives Collins motive.Not in this case they wouldn't. They dated briefly and if the child belonged to him he would be on the hook for A LOT in child support. This is not a jilted lover situation. The motive in this case would have been if the child was his. Edited May 7, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 They hadn't talked since September. You think out of the blue, 8months later he suddenly snapped over a fling being close to giving birth? It's not impossible but if the baby wasn't even his, they might be digging in the wrong ditch. Not in this case they wouldn't. They dated briefly and if if the child belong to him he would be on the hook for A LOT in child support. This is not a jilted lover situation. The motive in this case would have been if the child was his. Exactly, the financial motives all get taken away there.
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I still think the commish should allow him to enter the supplemental draft if cleared in time.
vincec Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Do you know what Marv Levy meant by "character?" GO BILLS!!! That's not really much of a rebuttal. Here's the full quote: "Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." Also, here's a link to a program and educational brief from a Marv Levy lecture. Heart of a Hall of Famer Series: Marv Levy - Extreme Networks Notice the items listed under the learning objectives section. These are what I think Marv meant by character. It sounds to me like he wanted to build a team of players that the community and the nation can be proud of. I'm not sure how proud you can be of wife beaters, bullies and murderers. If you think you know something different the say what you think it means and back it up with some research. Otherwise, your argument is basically worthless. Edited May 7, 2015 by vincec
Rob's House Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I watched a murder trial once where the guy was convicted of killing his ex after the child was born and before the paternity test came back, allegedly because he was concerned about having to pay child support. If I thought like a lot of people do I would assume he's guilty because it fits my narrative.
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 The results of the paternity test and passing the polygraph don't mean much. The cell phone/tower records mean more as a way to show that he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger. But if he had someone do it for him, that person needs to be caught and confess for anything to happen to Collins.
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 The results of the paternity test and passing the polygraph don't mean much. The cell phone/tower records mean more as a way to show that he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger. But if he had someone do it for him, that person needs to be caught and confess for anything to happen to Collins. No known motive now Passed a lie detector Proven not in the city Publicly not a suspect Met with police and answered every question And we still had someone saying they suspect him more after the paternity test. It's amazing how some latch onto a narrative once the media nudges towards it
vincec Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I watched a murder trial once where the guy was convicted of killing his ex after the child was born and before the paternity test came back, allegedly because he was concerned about having to pay child support. If I thought like a lot of people do I would assume he's guilty because it fits my narrative. No known motive now Passed a lie detector Proven not in the city Publicly not a suspect Met with police and answered every question And we still had someone saying they suspect him more after the paternity test. It's amazing how some latch onto a narrative once the media nudges towards it I understand that both of you are intimately familiar with the details of the current ongoing police investigation, but for the benefit of the rest of us without this insider knowledge, how about we wait until the results are in before we declare which group of fans have latched onto a narrative and refuse to let go.
Rob's House Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) I understand that both of you are intimately familiar with the details of the current ongoing police investigation, but for the benefit of the rest of us without this insider knowledge, how about we wait until the results are in before we declare which group of fans have latched onto a narrative and refuse to let go. That was the point of my post. Sorry if it was too nuanced for you. I'm pretty sure NoSaint wasn't claiming to know the outcome either, but rather (I assume) was stating that there is no publicly known evidence upon which anyone could responsibly call him a suspect at this point. Edited May 7, 2015 by Rob's House
Chuck Wagon Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I still think the commish should allow him to enter the supplemental draft if cleared in time. While I'm really hoping Rex made an impression on Monday night and we get a first round pick for free, I agree with this. They wanted to be moved into the supplemental draft before last Thursday. He wasn't drafted. Police have said he wasn't involved. Roger should snap out of heartless robot mode and understand this is a rare circumstance and help him get his career back on track.
vincec Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 That was the point of my post. Sorry if it was too nuanced for you. I think my response was above your head. I think that your "nuanced" response is guilty of the same logical fallacy that you are accusing other people of. Perhaps you're too blind to see that.
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