thebug Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Its from Rodak (who I know some truly loathe) but he just tweeted that the Bills are unlikely to sign Collins, despite Rex meeting with him. Looks like all signs point to him signing with the Fins. If he does go to the fins, I would be ok with him getting life in prison. Even if he had nothing to do with it.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I still would have tried to call his bluff on sitting out. So there's an issue with that that nobody is talking about. Per the CBA, if you draft a player and he doesn't sign he is eligible to be drafted in next year's draft by every team except for yours. Nobody wanted to take the chance on calling his bluff only to lose all chance at getting the right to him next year too. So if the Bills were to take a 7th round flyer on him and he decided to follow through and not sign, then the Bills would not be eligible to take him in 2016. It seems nobody was willing to take that risk. Edited May 5, 2015 by BuffaloHokie13
Kemp Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 We did not have many picks, so we couldn't take too many criminals. That's the reason to sign Collins.
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 He tweeted the same exact thing about 12 hours ago... he just wants clicks. Mike Rodak @mikerodak · 12 hrs 12 hours ago Rex might be having dinner with La’el Collins tonight, but I wouldn’t expect the Bills to land him. I read that as "I'm bitter troll Mike Rodak and I can't possibly believe someone would actually want to sign with the Bills when they could sign with 31 other teams for the same money." not "The Bills aren't expected to offer a contract"
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 He tweeted the same exact thing about 12 hours ago... he just wants clicks. Mike Rodak @mikerodak · 12 hrs 12 hours ago Rex might be having dinner with Lael Collins tonight, but I wouldnt expect the Bills to land him. i get the impression Rodak does know something or he wouldn't bother tweeting that out not once but twice. But otoh I could be giving him too much credit.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 i get the impression Rodak does know something or he wouldn't bother tweeting that out not once but twice. But otoh I could be giving him too much credit.He is probably just connecting the Tannebaum dots. Miami is probably the favorite for that reason and they may already have some type of handshake in place. With that being said the "unsanctioned" aspect is interesting. The Bills circumvented his agents who, one would think, have a vested interest in him going to Miami. If Collins and his family like the Bills it may not matter.
Doc Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Sounds purely like Rodak's opinion. Which is like, well, you know. As for Collins, I'll bet he wasn't near her. We can speculate whether he hired/asked someone to do it, but until they catch the person and he/she talks and conclusively implicates Collins, the assumption is he's clear.
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 He is probably just connecting the Tannebaum dots. Miami is probably the favorite for that reason and they may already have some type of handshake in place. With that being said the "unsanctioned" aspect is interesting. The Bills circumvented his agents who, one would think, have a vested interest in him going to Miami. If Collins and his family like the Bills it may not matter. It would be kind of strange I think to have a handshake in place before talking to some teams. I also think sometimes the relationship thing between former employees of agencies is a little overstated.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 Rodak doesn't know what's going on & no one is going to waste their time chasing someone that's already made a commitment to another team. He is supposed to meet with the Bills & Miami, he hasn't formally met with the Bills just yet.
GunnerBill Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I think Rodak is presuming it is a done deal with the Dolphins.
VABills Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 The whole "no state income tax" is the most ridiculous argument. Do people who live in those states not realize State income tax is deductible on your Federal taxes so you net to zero? Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad?
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Yeah #Trollhak isn't really citing a reason other than "Really? The Bills?" Rex is definitely interested, otherwise I don't see him making the trip, and Collins wouldn't be at least considering it if he took a private meal with Rex and his family. It's far from a lock, and 31 other teams might be interested but Rex was first at the door.
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 He is probably just connecting the Tannebaum dots. Miami is probably the favorite for that reason and they may already have some type of handshake in place. With that being said the "unsanctioned" aspect is interesting. The Bills circumvented his agents who, one would think, have a vested interest in him going to Miami. If Collins and his family like the Bills it may not matter. The agent is an interesting twist. From all indications he wasn't at the Bills meeting (and may not have even been informed it was happening). It sounded like Collins wanted to be moved into the supplemental draft or just punt and go in next year. The agent said he wouldn't sign, which likely caused him to go undrafted and screwed up his chances of making millions next year. I don't imagine the family has known the agent for more than a few months. If they get the feeling the agent is trying to steer him to his buddy Tannebaum and caused him to not be drafted, forfeiting millions for a few years, it's just as likely the Collins make their own decision and this guy is down one client.
Wayne Cubed Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 i get the impression Rodak does know something or he wouldn't bother tweeting that out not once but twice. But otoh I could be giving him too much credit. I think Rodak is just guessing, La'el can go literally wherever he wants, his odds of being right are pretty good. Also he's left himself some outs: "unlikely", or "I wouldn't expect".
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad? Net to zero was too far, but the impact is not nearly as big as those in "no income tax" states would have you believe.
Kirby Jackson Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 It would be kind of strange I think to have a handshake in place before talking to some teams. I also think sometimes the relationship thing between former employees of agencies is a little overstated.Maybe so but they have starting spots, a relationship, the same money and no state tax. That is all that I can come up with. Maybe a handshake is a little strong but a promise at the 1st meeting (which the Bills undercut).
Doc Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad? Doesn't Florida hit you in other ways in lieu of state tax?
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad? It's more like 9% NY state tax and a net less of 5.75% of all the income, let's not forget the state income tax on homes owned being about 2.5% of their value versus about 1.25% in FL (less homesteading).
Doc Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 The agent is an interesting twist. From all indications he wasn't at the Bills meeting (and may not have even been informed it was happening). It sounded like Collins wanted to be moved into the supplemental draft or just punt and go in next year. The agent said he wouldn't sign, which likely caused him to go undrafted and screwed up his chances of making millions next year. I don't imagine the family has known the agent for more than a few months. If they get the feeling the agent is trying to steer him to his buddy Tannebaum and caused him to not be drafted, forfeiting millions for a few years, it's just as likely the Collins make their own decision and this guy is down one client. Rex could definitely use that angle i.e. "you got bad advice from your agent and he cost you millions. Don't listen to him anymore."
Kirby Jackson Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 The agent is an interesting twist. From all indications he wasn't at the Bills meeting (and may not have even been informed it was happening). It sounded like Collins wanted to be moved into the supplemental draft or just punt and go in next year. The agent said he wouldn't sign, which likely caused him to go undrafted and screwed up his chances of making millions next year. I don't imagine the family has known the agent for more than a few months. If they get the feeling the agent is trying to steer him to his buddy Tannebaum and caused him to not be drafted, forfeiting millions for a few years, it's just as likely the Collins make their own decision and this guy is down one client. Yep, I can't imagine that the Collins family are thrilled with where they are at. The agent hasn't done them too many favors (not that I know what the best course of action would have been).
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