Joe Namath adds to Rex Ryan criticism

[Doc]

Well, even if you place any credence into the reports and that it contributed to the Jets' lousy season, the issue is out in the open now and Ryan will be held accountable for not holding players accountable. If the need arises.

[1billsfan]

Two of the last three Superbowls were won by Pete Carroll and John Harbaugh, who are the same type of "rah rah" player coaches as Rex Ryan.

 

I'm not surprised that there was lack of discipline on the Jets last year because it was the worst kept secret that he was going to be fired. Everyone knew he wasn't going to be around so some players took advantage of it. Shocker.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

I dont get it...do we have a Hunger Games Mocking Jay situation here?

 

Is the old partying QB being drugged and put in front of people to tow the company line for the jets?

 

Do people actually remember what Joe Namith's attitude was as far as being accountable for his actions?

[Luxy312]

Namath is an idiot. Talking about the coaching styles of Don Shula and Tom Landry like it would work well today.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

IMO Namath belongs to be in the Hall of Fame, but based on a confluence of factors. He was probably the single biggest factor in the merger, counting players, between the AFL and the NFL. He signed with the AFL out of Alabama where he was a huge name and gave the AFL a huge amount of legitimacy. When healthy, he threw a prettier pass than anyone in history. He had an incredible arm. The first win against an NFL team for the AFL, even though he wasn't dominant (the game plan was to rush and pound it down their throats), was a huge moment in the history of the NFL. The flamboyance and popularity of Namath was also a big factor in the rise of the NFL from being second or third banana to baseball and maybe basketball during the 60s to the biggest sport in the game.

 

He was a great, great player who only had a couple good seasons due to serious knee injuries. Stats and play alone he doesn't deserve to be close to the HoF. As a figure in the history of football and the success of the NFL not in the NFL, he was massive.

 

 

He was the SINGLE biggest factor in the AFL-NFL merger? Total BS and I don't even know where you came up with that BS statement. Just because he was drafted by 2 teams from 2 different leagues doesn't make him the single biggest factor in the merger. . Rozelle was the catalyst of that entire merger as he was the one that even brought this to congress to get an approval and he was the one that led negotiations between all the executives between the 2 leagues.

 

As far as SB3 MVP is considered, Snell was the TRUE MVP of SB 3 by the way. He rode the big SB upset win to the hall of fame. He has no other cred. You don't get into the Hall of Fame because you have a strong arm and NO QB should EVER be accepted into the Hall with a 173-220 TD/INT ratio.

Edited April 29, 2015 by QuoteTheRaven83

[GG]

IMO Namath belongs to be in the Hall of Fame, but based on a confluence of factors. He was probably the single biggest factor in the merger, counting players, between the AFL and the NFL. He signed with the AFL out of Alabama where he was a huge name and gave the AFL a huge amount of legitimacy. When healthy, he threw a prettier pass than anyone in history. He had an incredible arm. The first win against an NFL team for the AFL, even though he wasn't dominant (the game plan was to rush and pound it down their throats), was a huge moment in the history of the NFL. The flamboyance and popularity of Namath was also a big factor in the rise of the NFL from being second or third banana to baseball and maybe basketball during the 60s to the biggest sport in the game.

 

He was a great, great player who only had a couple good seasons due to serious knee injuries. Stats and play alone he doesn't deserve to be close to the HoF. As a figure in the history of football and the success of the NFL not in the NFL, he was massive.

 

You can make a similar argument for guys like Kemp & Lamonica, who don't get nearly the same respect for elevating the quality of the AFL.

[Kelly the Dog]

 

 

He was the SINGLE biggest factor in the AFL-NFL merger? Total BS and I don't even know where you came up with that BS statement. Just because he was drafted by 2 teams from 2 different leagues doesn't make him the single biggest factor in the merger. . Rozelle was the catalyst of that entire merger as he was the one that even brought this to congress to get an approval and he was the one that led negotiations between all the executives between the 2 leagues.

 

As far as SB3 MVP is considered, Snell was the TRUE MVP of SB 3 by the way. He rode the big SB upset win to the hall of fame. He has no other cred. You don't get into the Hall of Fame because you have a strong arm and NO QB should EVER be accepted into the Hall with a 173-220 TD/INT ratio.

I said "as a player" in case you cannot read.

 

You can make a similar argument for guys like Kemp & Lamonica, who don't get nearly the same respect for elevating the quality of the AFL.

You can, but nowhere like Namath.

[H2o]

Joe Namath criticizes ex-Jets coach Rex Ryan's approach, without saying his name

 

" You don't need a microscope to read between the lines of Joe Namath's quotes Tuesday about coaching styles. As Namath spoke , it became apparent that he's not exactly a fan of Rex Ryan's player-friendly approach"

 

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/04/joe_namath_criticizes_ex-jets_coach_rex_ryans_appr.html#incart_more_sports

He's also not a fan of sobriety either, but we all know he IS a fan of Suzy Kolber.

Edited April 29, 2015 by H2o

[JohnC]

 

You can make a similar argument for guys like Kemp & Lamonica, who don't get nearly the same respect for elevating the quality of the AFL.

The difference is that Namath had the star quality that neither of the qbs you mentioned possessed. Because Namath played in NYC and was promoted as an AFL signiture player he helped increase the TV contract and revenue. He brought more credibility to the upstart league as much by his promoted personality as he did as a player.

[GG]

The difference is that Namath had the star quality that neither of the qbs you mentioned possessed. Because Namath played in NYC and was promoted as an AFL signiture player he helped increase the TV contract and revenue. He brought more credibility to the upstart league as much by his promoted personality as he did as a player.

 

That's why I referenced the fur coat, pantyhose & partying as the larger reasons for his HoF status than his playing.

[JoeF]

Weeb Ewbank was Joe's coach--he beat Don Shula in THE GAME. Joe never played for Don Shula or Tom Landry so he knows them by reputation. Jace Amaro is more credible than Joe Namath on this topic.

 

In defense of Rex -- when Tannenbaum left and the team had the marketing meeting to move away from "Rex as face of the franchise" he knew he was out. How motivated would you be to be a hard ass those last two years. I hear him talking about EJ getting the ball out quicker and players needing to improve already with the Bills -- he focuses his accountability to play on the field. With leaders like Kyle, Freddy and Wood -- I think the Bills have enough guys that will self govern each other if tardiness or off field stuff comes up. Rex should not be the first line of defense for tardiness -- he should be the guy who cuts the habitual offender who doesn't get the message from the player leaders, the position coaches, etc.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Formerly Joe F

[JohnC]

 

That's why I referenced the fur coat, pantyhose & partying as the larger reasons for his HoF status than his playing.

I'm not disagreeing with you in regard to your point that factors other than his on the field play contributed to his HOF selection. He was the qb on the first AFL team to beat an NFL team in the SB. That was a pivotal and elevating moment for the AFL. It gave the AFL a boost in its credibility as a league. That surely was an important factor to his Hall selection if not more so than his individual stats.

 

Putting aside his public personality he was a terrific player whose career was plagued by multiple knee injuries and surgeries. There are few players who can be put in the category of iconic players: such as Jimmy Brown, OJ, Payton etc. He, in my opinion, falls in that special category.

[billykaykay]

 

 

He was the SINGLE biggest factor in the AFL-NFL merger? Total BS and I don't even know where you came up with that BS statement. Just because he was drafted by 2 teams from 2 different leagues doesn't make him the single biggest factor in the merger. . Rozelle was the catalyst of that entire merger as he was the one that even brought this to congress to get an approval and he was the one that led negotiations between all the executives between the 2 leagues.

 

As far as SB3 MVP is considered, Snell was the TRUE MVP of SB 3 by the way. He rode the big SB upset win to the hall of fame. He has no other cred. You don't get into the Hall of Fame because you have a strong arm and NO QB should EVER be accepted into the Hall with a 173-220 TD/INT ratio.

Al Davis was the one who started signing the NFL QBs. Rozelle went belly up because the AFL was signing all their marquee players.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

 

I saw Frank Caliendo doing his stage show last Sunday here in Charleston WV.

Funny as all get out. I can highly recommend the show.

I keep getting these 2 mixed up

 

Charleston and Charlestown which one has the casino?

that one is about 20 miles from where I live.

Edited April 29, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever

[Kelly the Dog]

Sure, it's wikipedia, but the info is cited from the book "THE OTHER LEAGUE" about the AFL.

 

 

The bidding war for players between the AFL and NFL escalated in 1965. The Chiefs drafted University of Kansas star Gale Sayers in the first round of the 1965 AFL draft (held November 28, 1964), while the Chicago Bears did the same in the NFL draft. Sayers eventually signed with the Bears.^[23] A similar situation occurred when the New York Jets and the NFL's St. Louis Cardinals both drafted University of Alabama quarterback Joe Namath. In what was viewed as a key victory for the AFL, Namath signed a $427,000 contract with the Jets on January 2, 1965 (the deal included a new car). It was the highest amount of money ever paid to a collegiate football player, and is cited as the strongest contributing factor to the eventual merger between the two leagues.^[26]

[Beerball]

Joe Namath criticizes ex-Jets coach Rex Ryan's approach, without saying his name

 

" You don't need a microscope to read between the lines of Joe Namath's quotes Tuesday about coaching styles. As Namath spoke , it became apparent that he's not exactly a fan of Rex Ryan's player-friendly approach"

 

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/04/joe_namath_criticizes_ex-jets_coach_rex_ryans_appr.html#incart_more_sports

One of my biggest concerns with Rex is that he appeared to let the inmates run the asylum (I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm old so it's OK) in NJ. I hope that he has learned something and holds everyone accountable (on a sliding scale of course).

[vorpma]

IMO Namath belongs to be in the Hall of Fame, but based on a confluence of factors. He was probably the single biggest factor in the merger, counting players, between the AFL and the NFL. He signed with the AFL out of Alabama where he was a huge name and gave the AFL a huge amount of legitimacy. When healthy, he threw a prettier pass than anyone in history. He had an incredible arm. The first win against an NFL team for the AFL, even though he wasn't dominant (the game plan was to rush and pound it down their throats), was a huge moment in the history of the NFL. The flamboyance and popularity of Namath was also a big factor in the rise of the NFL from being second or third banana to baseball and maybe basketball during the 60s to the biggest sport in the game.

 

He was a great, great player who only had a couple good seasons due to serious knee injuries. Stats and play alone he doesn't deserve to be close to the HoF. As a figure in the history of football and the success of the NFL not in the NFL, he was massive.

Great post!! For those who did not live through the era of the AFL - NFL rivalry, Joe Namath belongs i the HOF. The rivalry was intense and the AFL got bat bad the first two SB's, Namath to this day is very loyal to the AFL. The Jets played the home open in 1969 at the Rockpile and Bills fans gave them a rousing and emotional standing ovation, grown men had tears during this event.

Only the old AFL fans can really identify with the rivalry between the leagues in the 1960's; the AFL used Namath to market the AFL through his social life, fur coat, long hair and womanizing reputation. The new and hip AFL versus the old and stale NFL, my father had a love hate relationship with Namath. He hated Namath the NYC hipster but loved his performance in SB III. IMO it was the greatest era of football, to this day I wished the AFL remained and the rivalry.

Namath is a Hall of Famer because he was a great QB in an age when being a QB meant much more than it does for all but a handful of QBs today. People who never saw him play just look at stats and are too ready to dismiss him out of hand. Nobody called a better game than Namath and the one he called in the SB remains a masterpiece. He had a great defense on its heels all day.

 

It's a shame his career was ruined by injuries because he never really got to showcase his athleticism like he did at Alabama before his first knee injury.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[QuoteTheRaven83]

I said "as a player" in case you cannot read.

You can, but nowhere like Namath.

 

No I don't know how to read.

 

And COUNTING players AND executives, he wasn't the single biggest factor of anything. The AFL-NFL merger didn't happen because he was drafted by 2 different teams from 2 different leagues. So that's STILL a bogus statement. Rozelle was the ONLY factor in this.

[Ontario51]

Joe should stick to stockings commercials.

[3rdand12]

Joe should stick to stockings commercials.

there you have it.

we are done.

Our Rex would kick his fur coat wearing knees and render him unable. if he isnt already. unable.

Go Bills