DC Tom Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Probably ended with Rumsfeld at the bar telling someone "that !@#$er over there just called me an idiot. WTF?!?!?" It was actually in an elevator - Rummy had an office in the same building my wife worked in at the time. And while I didn't call him an idiot...well, let's just say the words "I know more about this **** than you do" were uttered by one of us before the elevator doors opened. I'll let you wonder which one of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It was actually in an elevator - Rummy had an office in the same building my wife worked in at the time. And while I didn't call him an idiot...well, let's just say the words "I know more about this **** than you do" were uttered by one of us before the elevator doors opened. I'll let you wonder which one of us. So you did call him an idiot. My wife has dozens of ways of calling me a dumbass without ever using the actual word. She does a fantastic job of calling me a dumbass without even uttering a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Jurassic Party Bernie Sanders gets all important Occupy endorsement for President . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Jurassic Party Bernie Sanders gets all important Occupy endorsement for President . That's a pretty deep bench ya got there, progs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That's a pretty deep bench ya got there, progs. Their bench is not the old hippies running. It is the old hippies voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That's a pretty deep bench ya got there, progs. If Filthadelphia wants to save some cash on next years Democratic Convention they could probably get away with holding it on Senior Day at Country Buffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Probably ended with Rumsfeld at the bar telling someone "that !@#$er over there just called me an idiot. WTF?!?!?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Not that I think it will matter because it was too long ago and the desire to elect female president will be more important to many of her supporters, but .... Bernie Sanders Joins Growing Chorus of Clinton Challengers Who Opposed Her on Iraq http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-30/bernie-sanders-joins-growing-chorus-of-clinton-challengers-who-opposed-her-on-iraq ........ He should go after her more recent tenure as secretary of state, where she had a lot more influence on foreign policy. And with that influence she ramped up the neocon agenda with horrible misadventures in libya and syria Edited April 30, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He should go after her more recent tenure as secretary of state, where she had a lot more influence on foreign policy. And with that influence she ramped up the neocon agenda with horrible misadventures in libya and syria Wait. Libya and Syria driven by Barry and Hillary are actually from the neocon agenda? You really are working at a gatorman level of intelligence there, Scooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Not that I think it will matter because it was too long ago and the desire to elect female president will be more important to many of her supporters, but It matters to me. If you voted for that boondoggle BS can of worms Iraq War, it's a deal breaker IMHO. If you're too stupid to figure out that it was BS at the time, you're not smart enough. You got snookered by Bush and Cheney. Especially if you didn't read the non slam dunk intelligence report (like Hillary did not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Wait. Libya and Syria driven by Barry and Hillary are actually from the neocon agenda? You really are working at a gatorman level of intelligence there, Scooter. There was a strong element of neocon agenda in Obamas policy, especially when Hillary was SoS. I pointed it out in the bush thread. And those elements are where policy went terribly astray. I have no problem calling it like it is regardless of party or individual. You're partisan thinking can't seem to grasp that. It matters to me. If you voted for that boondoggle BS can of worms Iraq War, it's a deal breaker IMHO. If you're too stupid to figure out that it was BS at the time, you're not smart enough. You got snookered by Bush and Cheney. Especially if you didn't read the non slam dunk intelligence report (like Hillary did not). I wish everyone were like that, but sadly I think not. The system is horribly corrupt and foreign policy by and large does not reflect the interests of the citizens. The only potential way out is for citizens to impose their will at the ballot box and stop electing these creeps. Edited April 30, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The best part of this is Bernie can go after her without cries of "sexism." The only thing better would be crazy Uncle Joe entering the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The best part of this is Bernie can go after her without cries of "sexism." The only thing better would be crazy Uncle Joe entering the race. Crazy Uncle Joe voted for the Iraq War too, so he's out IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Crazy Uncle Joe voted for the Iraq War too, so he's out IMHO. He can still criticize her. Just not for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) It matters to me. If you voted for that boondoggle BS can of worms Iraq War, it's a deal breaker IMHO. If you're too stupid to figure out that it was BS at the time, you're not smart enough. You got snookered by Bush and Cheney. Especially if you didn't read the non slam dunk intelligence report (like Hillary did not). Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Goring heramnn goring Edited May 1, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Crazy Uncle Joe voted for the Iraq War too, so he's out IMHO. If he hadn't voted for the war he would be a viable candidate in your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 There was a strong element of neocon agenda in Obamas policy, especially when Hillary was SoS. I pointed it out in the bush thread. And those elements are where policy went terribly astray. I have no problem calling it like it is regardless of party or individual. You're partisan thinking can't seem to grasp that. I wish everyone were like that, but sadly I think not. The system is horribly corrupt and foreign policy by and large does not reflect the interests of the citizens. The only potential way out is for citizens to impose their will at the ballot box and stop electing these creeps. I think I've explained this before here ,Obama is not a Neocon but he is a Zbigniew Brezinski disciple - so what's the difference? well they have the same goals American hegemony over the world but they differ in tactics (neocons see tougher talk and military action as the solution to every problem) Brezinskites like a mix of soft power, color revolution, assassination, economic pressure, propaganda, then military action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. Hermann We heard you the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think I've explained this before here ,Obama is not a Neocon but he is a Zbigniew Brezinski disciple - so what's the difference? well they have the same goals American hegemony over the world but they differ in tactics (neocons see tougher talk and military action as the solution to every problem) Brezinskites like a mix of soft power, color revolution, assassination, economic pressure, propaganda, then military action. Good insight, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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