Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) That analysis would have scored about a 9. Has anyone ever said that test was a predictor of how good someone can play football? And it's not very difficult to pick out a small selection of examples from a population of thousands to support your preordained conclusion. Yeah it was poor. Lamenting the NFL for using the wonderlic in an implied way which they don't. There is no "correlation" between any draft day measurables and success. The are some thresholds that separate the higher probability group from the lower probability group. It there a correlation between 40 time and wr success? no. is it more likely a guy running a 4.4 40 will succeed than a guy running a 4.8 40. Yes. Does every guy running a 4.4 succeed and is every guy running a 4.3 more successful? Of course not. Edited April 27, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 It there a correlation between 40 time and we success? no. is it more likely a guy running a 4.4 40 will succeed than a guy running a 4.8 40. Yes. . . . Thanks for clearing that up.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 27, 2015 Posted April 27, 2015 Thanks for clearing that up. No problem. I'll be on the Barnes and noble lecture curcuit in July. Follow me on Twitter
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) Follow me on Twitter "Follow me - - Follow me to freedom !!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASRgF2fwwY Edited April 28, 2015 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead
enlightener Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Little known fact: Ryan Fitzpatrick actually went to Harvard.accept that I mentioned it three posts above...where are your stats on how well known this is?
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 accept that I mentioned it three posts above...where are your stats on how well known this is? Every time I watch something on him, they always forget to mention it. But it's true. He went to Harvard.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 Fitzy.. good at Wonderlic.. Also good at throwing interceptions. Never a zero next to his name by golly !
Fadingpain Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 If they're going to give a personality test to predict future success, intelligence should only be 1 of many different testing variables. They need to test for persistence, determination, positive or negative attitudes, expectations of success or failure, confidence, decision making in stressful situations, desire to succeed, ambition, concentration, etc. No wonder there are so many busts. They could cut that number in half just by testing for the things I listed above. For example, will power is far more important than intelligence. Persistance and faith in your ability is nearly equally important to skill and intelligence. Often in life the one who succeeds is the one who simply doesn't give up and keeps at it. A lot of what you write here is spot on! Not sure it matters with football, another skill is like ability/charm factor and that sort of thing. Those who can really get along well with people, easily, have an advantage in life. The world isn't run by trees or machines. It's run by people. PS: Fitz scored a "48" on the test; Jim Kelly a "15".
Chuck Wagon Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Fitz was so smart we can't even understand what he was really doing. He was borrowing the Ali "Rope a Dope". By throwing backbreaking game losing interceptions, he was really just boosting the confidence of the defensive players to the point they underestimated his ability, then he'd have them right where he wanted them. We just didn't keep him around long enough to show the fruits of his labor. Maybe the fans in New York will have more patience when he executes his brilliant master plan of throwing game losing interceptions.
Fadingpain Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 This link is a spoof done by Keith Olbermann but it does reference what I believe to be 5 or 6 real Wonderlic questions and answers. Most normal people would score very highly on this test. This test is not so much about figuring out how smart you are at the top end; it's more about weeding out brain dead ghouls masquerading as thinking adults. Fitz should be embarrassed to have actually gotten 2 questions wrong out of 50, if they are all on par with what appears in this Olbermann piece. Brief example: Low is to High as Easy is to ______. Successful Pure Tall Interesting Difficult
LB3 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 This link is a spoof done by Keith Olbermann but it does reference what I believe to be 5 or 6 real Wonderlic questions and answers. Most normal people would score very highly on this test. This test is not so much about figuring out how smart you are at the top end; it's more about weeding out brain dead ghouls masquerading as thinking adults. Fitz should be embarrassed to have actually gotten 2 questions wrong out of 50, if they are all on par with what appears in this Olbermann piece. Brief example: Low is to High as Easy is to ______. Successful Pure Tall Interesting Difficult Fitzy didn't answer 1 of the questions and finished in 9 minutes. There are 12 minutes allotted and the questions vary. The one you provided is one of the easier tiered questions.
jumbalaya Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Really? If Norwood's kick is a few feet to he left, Kelly has one. If that dude on the Rams doesn't make that tackle, McNair has one. And that's just the guys whose scores we actually know of. I have a hard time believing that Ben freaking Roethlisberger scored higher than 22. If Flutie started vs Tennessee, Bills win as Music City miracle would not have happened. If Bills win, we'd crush Jax the following week and make the SB. Flutie wins the SB as our D shuts down the Rams. if, if, if....
Fadingpain Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Fitzy didn't answer 1 of the questions and finished in 9 minutes. There are 12 minutes allotted and the questions vary. The one you provided is one of the easier tiered questions. I would be embarrassed to get a single one wrong, though I can see where that would happen out of bad luck if you were nervous or distracted or whatever. I had to pause for a few seconds for one of them involving overlapping colored grids with the correct overlap creating the correct colored pattern. Is that a hard one? This is relevant to a LOT of discussions on this forum and elsewhere concerning professional athletes. I think most people don't understand that your average elite pro athlete is usually shockingly stupid by normal standards. Shockingly stupid. That's the point of this. And it definitely often translates to performance on the field, pitch, ice, whatever. Like a coach will tell a certain player "when this happens, do X" 10,000 times and the player never does it. After a while the coach realizes "I am effectively trying to teach my pencil how to read; that won't work." That is usually when an organization moves on from a player with that type of problem. In recent Buffalo sports history, ex-Sabre Luke Adam was said to be this sort of person. Like so dumb he couldn't be coached and he didn't have enough pure talent to compensate for that or make it irrelevant. PS: I suspect most scores are not as high as they could be, as the test taker does not take the test seriously, does not focus, and figures his elite athleticism will get him hired, not the silly score on the silly test. Also, if you are at the NFL combine taking the Wonderlic, you have been an elite athlete your entire life at all age levels; such people typically don't take things involving thought or testing too seriously, so they have the wrong attitude before they start. I.E., give everyone a $1 million check for hitting a certain score (create an incentive to give a damn) and you might see test scores rise across the board, a bit. But dumb is dumb, and money doesn't fix that.
NoSaint Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 They say 20 is about average- with a roughly 100 iq
LB3 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 They say 20 is about average- with a roughly 100 iq This is what the tester told me when I had to take it in 2008.
NoSaint Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 This is what the tester told me when I had to take it in 2008. im going on memory here but i think the reeeeeally rough correlation from there is +/- 5 questions in the score is about 10 points on an IQ test (not totally linear or anything, and obviously subject to a guy actually caring what his score is). So a 25 is like 110ish, 30 is 120ish, 15 is 90ish.... like i said, just a really rough thumbnail for conversion to give an idea of what in the world a 22 represents in terms people are a little more familiar with.
LB3 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) I would be embarrassed to get a single one wrong, though I can see where that would happen out of bad luck if you were nervous or distracted or whatever. Some are designed to trip you up when you get overconfident. For example, they'll give you what seem s like a math problem such as: You have a $10 bill. You buy a sandwich that costs $6. You're in NY and NYS tax is 8%. How many dollars do you have left? A. 4 B. 3.52 C. 3 D. None of the above. The answer being 3. Most people don't make it through even 40 of the questions. im going on memory here but i think the reeeeeally rough correlation from there is +/- 5 questions in the score is about 10 points on an IQ test (not totally linear or anything, and obviously subject to a guy actually caring what his score is). So a 25 is like 110ish, 30 is 120ish, 15 is 90ish.... like i said, just a really rough thumbnail for conversion to give an idea of what in the world a 22 represents in terms people are a little more familiar with.That sounds about right. Above 30 is generally a good sign. So your numbers would seem to fit that. Edited April 29, 2015 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall
K-9 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Some are designed to trip you up when you get overconfident. For example, they'll give you what seem s like a math problem such as: You have a $10 bill. You buy a sandwich that costs $6. You're in NY and NYS tax is 8%. How many dollars do you have left? A. 4 B. 3.52 C. 3 D. None of the above. The answer being 3. Most people don't make it through even 40 of the questions. That sounds about right. Above 30 is generally a good sign. So your numbers would seem to fit that. I would quibble that the answer is 3 because .52 represents a fraction of a dollar so, as the question is phrased, 3.52 is the best answer. If they asked how many dollar "bills" do you have left, then 3 would be the better answer. Abstract thinking if too often marginalized by test creators because they themselves can't think in that fashion. To them, "What color is the sky?", has only one answer. GO BILLS!!!
LB3 Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I would quibble that the answer is 3 because .52 represents a fraction of a dollar so, as the question is phrased, 3.52 is the best answer. If they asked how many dollar "bills" do you have left, then 3 would be the better answer. Abstract thinking if too often marginalized by test creators because they themselves can't think in that fashion. To them, "What color is the sky?", has only one answer. GO BILLS!!! Exactly
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Some are designed to trip you up when you get overconfident. For example, they'll give you what seem s like a math problem such as: You have a $10 bill. You buy a sandwich that costs $6. You're in NY and NYS tax is 8%. How many dollars do you have left? A. 4 B. 3.52 C. 3 D. None of the above. The answer being 3. Most people don't make it through even 40 of the questions. That sounds about right. Above 30 is generally a good sign. So your numbers would seem to fit that. I had to take something similar to Wonderlic, think it might have been that, but I could be wrong. The first time I took it, the test was so easy that I bombed because I kept overthinking the questions and assuming that if that answer seemed so easy, it couldn't be right and it was some sort of trick question. The second time I took it I got like a 98% on it because I went with the most obvious answer.
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