Antonio Brown.... Jason Peters..how will Steelers Handle

[KD in CA]

I understand that point of view. But as someone said earlier, if a player underperforms their contract, they will be asked to take a pay cut or be cut. The NFL is about as dirty of a business as there is. Brown has leverage because some could argue he is the best receiver in the NFL. I don't think he is because of his size but he is impossilbe to cover and has put up the stats.

 

Until the NFL gets guaranteed contracts, I will always support the player vs. the team.

 

Which hopefully is never of course, but this is also why I'm not opposed to a player like Brown having some leverage.

[C.Biscuit97]

 

Which hopefully is never of course, but this is also why I'm not opposed to a player like Brown having some leverage.

Just curious why you wouldn't want this? Football is the sport that is tank proof because of the physical nature of it and guys fighting for jobs. IMO, I think football players more than any other sport deserve guaranteed contracts.

[BillsVet]

This is a discussion board, and Peters is the greatest homegrown player (with apologies to Lynch) of this millennium. He's certainly worthy of discussion, especially considering that a lot of longtime posters care about Bills history and the long term consequences of poor decisions by management.

 

Meanwhile, Jason Peters was just voted to another All-Pro team and out of the last 7 years he's been on the field, he's been 1st or 2nd team All-Pro every year.

 

The decision not to re-sign Peters is arguably the worse personnel blunder from 2000-2009. And it was in part precipitated by giving lazy Derrick Dockery a massive contract he wasn't worth. Thank goodness the Pegula's bought the team.

[mattsox]

I know we are under a whole new regime at OBD...but this will be interesting to watch over the summer.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/20/antonio-brown-wants-new-deal-wont-be-at-offseason-workouts/

 

Signed a big 6 year deal 3 years ago, that basically made It tough to also sign Wallace.

 

3 years remaining on his deal....speculation is will sit out till gets new one closer to what his contribution has been.

 

Hmm, sounds familiar no?

 

But Steelers are an admired organization, Bills not so much.

 

I think the Steelers make him play for his originally contract, just as the Bills did with Peters.

Agreed. They'll trade him before it gets ugly...

[Kelly the Dog]

 

Meanwhile, Jason Peters was just voted to another All-Pro team and out of the last 7 years he's been on the field, he's been 1st or 2nd team All-Pro every year.

 

The decision not to re-sign Peters is arguably the worse personnel blunder from 2000-2009. And it was in part precipitated by giving lazy Derrick Dockery a massive contract he wasn't worth. Thank goodness the Pegula's bought the team.

Yup. Yup. And yup.

[KD in CA]

Just curious why you wouldn't want this? Football is the sport that is tank proof because of the physical nature of it and guys fighting for jobs. IMO, I think football players more than any other sport deserve guaranteed contracts.

 

The fact that other sports got railroaded into those terrible systems is no justification to saddle the NFL the same way. You really think Albert Haynsworth should have pulled down the full $100MM for his stellar effort? Or Aaron Maybin should have collected his entire $25MM? I'd rather see that money go to some young player who is putting out the effort and performing, like Hughes. It's certainly not like the NFL is holding down total salaries; the cap has exploded in recent years.

 

I don't have a job that would pay me for years after I stopped performing, do you? I see no reason why someone should continue to be paid millions of dollars when their performance no longer justifies it.

[dave mcbride]

Just curious why you wouldn't want this? Football is the sport that is tank proof because of the physical nature of it and guys fighting for jobs. IMO, I think football players more than any other sport deserve guaranteed contracts.

 

I think football is the sport most likely to see players tank if contracts are guaranteed (especially final multi-year vontracts in a player's career). The game isn't superfun for a lot of players (based upon conversations I've read about and conversations my wife had with a former player who worked for her) because of the constant pain and threat of major injury. I think it's the opposite of what you say. Baseball players on the other hand tend to love playing; they generally don't tank. The sport isn't nearly as painful.

[Deranged Rhino]

I think football is the sport most likely to see players tank if contracts are guaranteed (especially final multi-year vontracts in a player's career). The game isn't superfun for a lot of players (based upon conversations I've read about and conversations my wife had with a former player who worked for her) because of the constant pain and threat of major injury. I think it's the opposite of what you say. Baseball players on the other hand tend to love playing; they generally don't tank. The sport isn't nearly as painful.

 

You ain't lying.

[BarleyNY]

The fact that other sports got railroaded into those terrible systems is no justification to saddle the NFL the same way. You really think Albert Haynsworth should have pulled down the full $100MM for his stellar effort? Or Aaron Maybin should have collected his entire $25MM? I'd rather see that money go to some young player who is putting out the effort and performing, like Hughes. It's certainly not like the NFL is holding down total salaries; the cap has exploded in recent years.

 

I don't have a job that would pay me for years after I stopped performing, do you? I see no reason why someone should continue to be paid millions of dollars when their performance no longer justifies it.

 

NFL contracts are definitely structured so that players are not overpaid for their level of production (or at least that it does not go on for long). Holdouts like this are the only way an UNDERpaid player in the position Brown is in can get fair compensation for his value. It should be a two way street.

 

I think football is the sport most likely to see players tank if contracts are guaranteed (especially final multi-year vontracts in a player's career). The game isn't superfun for a lot of players (based upon conversations I've read about and conversations my wife had with a former player who worked for her) because of the constant pain and threat of major injury. I think it's the opposite of what you say. Baseball players on the other hand tend to love playing; they generally don't tank. The sport isn't nearly as painful.

Absolutely true. The real reason why the athletes in the NFL don't have guaranteed contracts and a why they have a generally worse collective bargaining agreement than NBA and MLB athletes is that their union is the weakest of the three - by far. MLB is the strongest. It all stems from national versus local revenue generation, but the end result is that the NFLPA does not have the power to demand guaranteed contracts, nor is it really in their best interest to do so since they negotiated in a spending floor.

[C.Biscuit97]

I think football is the sport most likely to see players tank if contracts are guaranteed (especially final multi-year vontracts in a player's career). The game isn't superfun for a lot of players (based upon conversations I've read about and conversations my wife had with a former player who worked for her) because of the constant pain and threat of major injury. I think it's the opposite of what you say. Baseball players on the other hand tend to love playing; they generally don't tank. The sport isn't nearly as painful.

I respectfully disagree. If you don't go full out on a play in football, you could get badly injured. You can't half step in football. Do you honestly believe baseball players are going all out in game 100 of a 162 game season? I think plenty of baseball players are playing because it's the easiest sport to get drafted in, you don't have the injury worries, and it's best contracts in sports.

[FireChan]

I respectfully disagree. If you don't go full out on a play in football, you could get badly injured. You can't half step in football. Do you honestly believe baseball players are going all out in game 100 of a 162 game season? I think plenty of baseball players are playing because it's the easiest sport to get drafted in, you don't have the injury worries, and it's best contracts in sports.

I see players not go full out quite a bit in the NFL.

Comparing the NFL to the NBA is tough, because the NBA has measures that allow them to fully GTD contracts, outside of a low salary cap. The NBA also gives teams trade exceptions, MLE's, amnesties, and etc. There's also an exponentially higher level of trading, which makes expiring huge contracts valuable. That will never happen in the NFL. No one is trading for Haynesworth in the NFL because his contract is expiring.

[RyanC883]

Just curious why you wouldn't want this? Football is the sport that is tank proof because of the physical nature of it and guys fighting for jobs. IMO, I think football players more than any other sport deserve guaranteed contracts.

 

I'd like guaranteed contracts that do not count against the cap for injury. At any rate, I think AB tweeted that he would be at Steelers practice, etc.

I think football is the sport most likely to see players tank if contracts are guaranteed (especially final multi-year vontracts in a player's career). The game isn't superfun for a lot of players (based upon conversations I've read about and conversations my wife had with a former player who worked for her) because of the constant pain and threat of major injury. I think it's the opposite of what you say. Baseball players on the other hand tend to love playing; they generally don't tank. The sport isn't nearly as painful.

this is a good point. somehow teams should be allowed to payoff underperforming players, put them on a NFL (can't play list), and have it not count against the cap to guard against the tankers.