Dante Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Step one...reduce unemployment benefits from 99 weeks to 8 and let's see how that changes things, shall we? Heartless bastard! Think of all the starving children dying on the streets. Funny thing is that a lot of poor people you see are actually quite chubby. Edited April 20, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Is this a real question? does your business have to get X number of things done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Which is why we must destroy capitalism with government regulation... No! Capitalism is the goose laying golden eggs! We liberals need it more than you Conservatives do! There, I said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 does your business have to get X number of things done? We get as much business done as we can generate. It's a non-quantifiable amount of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Heartless bastard! Think of all the starving children dying on the streets. Funny thing is that a lot of poor people you see are actually quite chubby. It used to be the opposite. The poor people actually had the energy and gumption to rise up and cause some damage. Now it is the lazy lethargy that is dragging down the economy. Damn if they do, damn if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) does your business have to get X number of things done? A business needs to generate a profit, and there are many ways to do that. When the costs of employing labor rise above their ROIs, it makes no sense to employ more labor. Alternative strategies must be employed: outsourcing and off-shoring, replacing labor with automation, suspending less profitable business ventures with lower ROIs, and asking more of your current employees. Edited April 20, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 A business needs to generate a profit, and there are many ways to do that. When the costs of employing labor rise above their ROIs, it makes no sense to employ more labor. Alternative strategies must be employed: outsourcing and off-shoring, replacing labor with automation, suspending less profitable business ventures with lower ROIs, and asking more of your current employees. yeah but the article gave a retail situation so I think the bolded above is the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It used to be the opposite. The poor people actually had the energy and gumption to rise up and cause some damage. Now it is the lazy lethargy that is dragging down the economy. Damn if they do, damn if they don't. I think the poor have become enslaved in a way now. Given enough money to sustain but not to much else. The motivation of starvation is long gone. People used to be motivated by shame. Now, for whatever reason, shame and embarrassment has been taken out of the equation. People are content with living in Section 8. Welfare and food stamps. Wrangle yourself a IPhone and you got the world by the nuts. I guess. They are a government created constituency that keeps voting for the ones that don't threaten to take this grand lifestyle away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think the poor have become enslaved in a way now. Given enough money to sustain but not to much else. The motivation of starvation is long gone. People used to be motivated by shame. Now, for whatever reason, shame and embarrassment has been taken out of the equation. People are content with living in Section 8. Welfare and food stamps. Wrangle yourself a IPhone and you got the world by the nuts. I guess. They are a government created constituency that keeps voting for the ones that don't threaten to take this grand lifestyle away. well this should make you happy Cash assistance benefits for the nation’s poorest families with children fell again in purchasing power in 2014 and are now at least 20 percent below their 1996 levels in 38 states, after adjusting for inflation. While eight states raised Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) benefits between July 2013 (the start of fiscal year 2014 in most states) and July 2014, the remaining states did not, allowing inflation to continue to erode the benefits’ value. (No state cut TANF benefits in nominal dollars in the past year.) For 99 percent of TANF recipients nationally, the purchasing power of their benefits is below 1996 levels, after adjusting for inflation. As the country moves past the economic downturn and public coffers regain strength, states should halt the erosion of TANF benefits and begin restoring the purchasing power lost over the past 18 years. The erosion of TANF benefits since 1996 comes on top of even larger benefit declines over the preceding quarter-century. Between 1970 and 1996, the value of cash assistance benefits for poor families with children fell by more than 40 percent in real terms in two-thirds of the states. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=4222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 yeah but the article gave a retail situation so I think the bolded above is the correct answer. You don't think that retailers are taking advantage of technology and automation by eliminating box stores in order to help combat rising labor costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You don't think that retailers are taking advantage of technology and automation by eliminating box stores in order to help combat rising labor costs? Every time a fast-food worker strikes because they want $15/hour, another one of these gets its wings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You don't think that retailers are taking advantage of technology and automation by eliminating box stores in order to help combat rising labor costs? The article was talking about lack of customer service This is only anecdotal but just the other day I was trying to buy some personal products from a major retailer, and the clerk couldn’t figure out how to open the secured container to give me my razor blades. Nor could she figure out how to scan the price of another item, so I just told her keep it. And she wasn’t polite, either. Are there some lazy unenthused workers I'm sure just like forever but the bigger problem is understaffing and poor training in the retail sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Every time a fast-food worker strikes because they want $15/hour, another one of these gets its wings... Yeah... But how many is that really going to eliminate. Somebody still has to make the food and bring it to the counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah... But how many is that really going to eliminate. Somebody still has to make the food and bring it to the counter. You don't think preparation of that **** food can't be automated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You don't think preparation of that **** food can't be automated? Sure... Like salads... But how many are crew now? And there's going to have to be at least 2-3 on crew even after automation... Then there is clean-up and the health code stuff. I am sure it will knock some off the job... But, it will probably make the job easier for those who remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Sure... Like salads... But how many are crew now? And there's going to have to be at least 2-3 on crew even after automation... Then there is clean-up and the health code stuff. I am sure it will knock some off the job... But, it will probably make the job easier for those who remain. The only fast food place I go to is Burger King maybe about 4 times a year - usually they have 3 people working one on counter, one on food prep, and the manager doing drive thru, the only time I've seen four is when they are training someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) The only fast food place I go to is Burger King maybe about 4 times a year - usually they have 3 people working one on counter, one on food prep, and the manager doing drive thru, the only time I've seen four is when they are training someone.Exactly... It isn't like they are breaking the bank now w/staff... How much can they get down to a skeleton crew. Gotta be @ least 2 for safety purposes. And... That is even pushing safety. I suppose 3 is a comfortable minimum down from your observed 3-4. Wow... Big deal, bring it! Edited April 20, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Exactly... It isn't like they are breaking the bank now w/staff... How much can they get down to a skeleton crew. Gotta be @ least 2 for safety purposes. And... That is even pushing safety. I suppose 3 is a comfortable minimum down from your observed 5. Wow... Big deal, bring it! sorry I should have put in a comma - "usually they have 3 people working, one on counter, one on food prep, and the manager doing drive thru, the only time I've seen four is when they are training someone." so my observed 3 , if they are training someone then 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 sorry I should have put in a comma - "usually they have 3 people working, one on counter, one on food prep, and the manager doing drive thru, the only time I've seen four is when they are training someone." so my observed 3 , if they are training someone then 4 Wow... You are fast... I caught it and made the edit already! LoL... Sounds like all they will be getting rid of is the one guy on the counter... Work a one man crew and the local police will be very happy... Not. Consider Mc'D's and others are open 24/7... They have @ min 2 and the place is locked down for security. I wonder what OSHA says about these things too. Again, big scare tactics, they already run skeleton crews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 We have some lower paid folks here. That's the highest area of turnover in the company and the common denominator amongst them over the years is that they just don't commit themselves to upward mobility. Many have similar behavior which is poorer than average attendance, lousy work ethic, are less than honest and have personal issues that get in the way of work. Their priorities are different than those of more successful people and they tend to hang out with others who are equally low performers so they're comfortable. That and their entertainment comes from a phone, the internet, booze and sex all of which are cheap and the handouts are better than ever. Education is expensive and it ain't fun or cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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