BillnutinHouston Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I've tried to reserve judgment on Roadhack up until now, but this is the last straw. Not clickin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Most of the people bitching about the article obviously (and many admittedly) didn't read it, most incorrectly assumed its point, and of those who did read it, most still didn't get it. The only point of the Tebow comparison was to guage potential trade value. He suggested August as the "sweet spot" for a trade because it would give the new staff time to first work with and evaluate him. It's mid-April and there's not much of interest to discuss on the football front. Hate on Rodack all you want, but this article is hardly one worth bashing him over. Leaving out that the Broncos were set at QB with Peyton Manning was ridiculous. The Broncos would have never traded Tebow if they didn't do that. So why would the Bills trade Manuel without even a very good starter let alone one of the greatest ever. That comparison falls flat on it's face given the circumstances of both teams. As for the August "sweet" spot. You don't find out if a QB can play in this league in August, you find out if a QB can play in real NFL games. Let's trade away a QB you've been developing for two years then draft a QB at pick #22 in 2016 and then trade him away in a couple of years when he doesn't develop fast enough. That's a brilliant philosophy for an NFL team to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Leaving out that the Broncos were set at QB with Peyton Manning was ridiculous. The Broncos would have never traded Tebow if they didn't do that. So why would the Bills trade Manuel without even a very good starter let alone one of the greatest ever. That comparison falls flat on it's face given the circumstances of both teams. As for the August "sweet" spot. You don't find out if a QB can play in this league in August, you find out if a QB can play in real NFL games. Let's trade away a QB you've been developing for two years then draft a QB at pick #22 in 2016 and then trade him away in a couple of years when he doesn't develop fast enough. That's a brilliant philosophy for an NFL team to follow. If the point had the faintest goddamn thing to do with the Broncos' QB situation you might have a point, but it didn't so you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If the point had the faintest goddamn thing to do with the Broncos' QB situation you might have a point, but it didn't so you don't. Trading Tebow had nothing to do with them signing Peyton Manning four days prior? Tebow does't get traded if that doesn't happen. It's a stupid comparison because the Bills have Matt Cassel waiting in the wings, not Peyton Manning. Who cares what draft pick they got for him, the Buffalo Bills are in the polar opposite QB position the Broncos were in. Ignoring this is just putting on blinders and calling yourself an informed fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 If the point had the faintest goddamn thing to do with the Broncos' QB situation you might have a point, but it didn't so you don't. Sure it did. The article didn't just explore trade value, but risk vs reward, as well. Trading away Tebow had little risk for the Broncos. That is not the case for us. And, even regarding trade value: If Manuel and Tebow were completely equal QBs, Manuel would still be worth more to us than Tebow was to Denver. How is that not a valid point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 If the point had the faintest goddamn thing to do with the Broncos' QB situation you might have a point, but it didn't so you don't. It had everything to do with the Bronco's QB situation. Manning reduced Tebow's value to the Broncos. Not just in terms of personnel, but for salary cap reasons, too. The amount of money the Broncos had invested in the QB position made it that much more desirable to move him, meaning they could take less for him. Conversely, if they didn't get Manning, Tebow's value would have been substantially greater, as trading him would have left the Broncos rather thin at the QB position. "Value" is not the absolute Rodak pretends it is. Need and scarcity enter in to it, on both sides of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) It had everything to do with the Bronco's QB situation. Manning reduced Tebow's value to the Broncos. Not just in terms of personnel, but for salary cap reasons, too. The amount of money the Broncos had invested in the QB position made it that much more desirable to move him, meaning they could take less for him. Conversely, if they didn't get Manning, Tebow's value would have been substantially greater, as trading him would have left the Broncos rather thin at the QB position. "Value" is not the absolute Rodak pretends it is. Need and scarcity enter in to it, on both sides of the deal. So if we signed Peyton Manning, we could get a fourth for EJ, but if we didn't, we could get a first for EJ? Peyton Manning, just living up to his name as a team-killer. Edited April 18, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 So if we signed Peyton Manning, we could get a fourth for EJ, but if we didn't, we could get a first for EJ? Peyton Manning, just living up to his name as a team-killer. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 No. I thought I was onto something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Im really starting not to like you........and I actually did at the beginning LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Im really starting not to like you........and I actually did at the beginning Lucky this isn't a popularity contest. I suggest coming to the light side. It's so much more enjoyable than being negative all the time. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Is anybody against trading rodak for a flaming bag of dog **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Trading Tebow had nothing to do with them signing Peyton Manning four days prior? Tebow does't get traded if that doesn't happen. It's a stupid comparison because the Bills have Matt Cassel waiting in the wings, not Peyton Manning. Who cares what draft pick they got for him, the Buffalo Bills are in the polar opposite QB position the Broncos were in. Ignoring this is just putting on blinders and calling yourself an informed fan. It's over your head. It had everything to do with the Bronco's QB situation. Manning reduced Tebow's value to the Broncos. Not just in terms of personnel, but for salary cap reasons, too. The amount of money the Broncos had invested in the QB position made it that much more desirable to move him, meaning they could take less for him. Conversely, if they didn't get Manning, Tebow's value would have been substantially greater, as trading him would have left the Broncos rather thin at the QB position. "Value" is not the absolute Rodak pretends it is. Need and scarcity enter in to it, on both sides of the deal. He wasn't discussing Tebow's value to the Broncos. He was discussing his trade value on the market. The comparison to Tebow was strictly in regards to what they could get for him, not what he was worth to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Lucky this isn't a popularity contest. I suggest coming to the light side. It's so much more enjoyable than being negative all the time. Imo its been what a month or more since you said EJ would be cut? still waiting and waiting and waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 He wasn't discussing Tebow's value to the Broncos. He was discussing his trade value on the market. The comparison to Tebow was strictly in regards to what they could get for him, not what he was worth to them. Agreed. I thought it was a reasonably solid and informative piece, but I think the market for Manuel is lower than he projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 the Bills will be sued under NY's lemon law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superb Owl Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 the Bills will be sued under NY's lemon law This might be funny enough to bring together haterz and apologists alike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Because Tebow.... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18357/bills-would-be-wise-to-gauge-ej-manuel-trade-market @mikerodak: Why the Bills should consider trading EJ Manuel and why the Tim Tebow deal is a surprisingly decent model. absolutely would trade him for a 4rth, He was a 3/4rth rounder in the first place and getting something back for him before his stock falls would be wise. I don't see him becoming a quality starter so trade him while we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Just fix the OL and the QBs we have this season will have a fair chance. Orton walked away from $5m , I blame the OL and Marrone for that drastic decision Watching Total Access, the Bills with Rex will go playoffs, the cute girl says ground and pound , QB not a problem Ground Chuck , Knox will be proud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Manuel has played 14 games. He should get another shot. I loved how he handled the whole Orton situation last year. He put the team first and realized he could learn from a vet. I say keep him. Rodak is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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