Doc Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Doc that is not what the posted article said. The Iggles wanted picks, Whaley said he didn't have any to give up the Iggles called back and asked for Kiko Yes, likely because they couldn't find someone to trade draft picks for McCoy, who they wanted to get rid of and might very well have released if they couldn't trade him. And the PFT blurb talks about Kiko as a "too-small-for-their-system" LB. I doubt they made that up on their own or that Kiko was traded without Rex's consent. Hell they were all there on Pegs' yacht and all Whaley had to do was yell over to Rex "yo man, they want McCoy for Kiko" and if he had a problem with it, the deal wouldn't have gotten done, or done so quickly. Edited April 16, 2015 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Doc that is not what the posted article said. The Iggles wanted picks, Whaley said he didn't have any to give up the Iggles called back and asked for Kiko Yeah, and Whaley coughed Kiko right up. So doc is right, your conclusion that Rex wanted Kiko doesn't follow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Rex talked about it in his press conference today and it was pretty funny. He said they asked the Bills for draft picks, and there was silence on their end... Like um - guess he's going to another team. But the Bills were really into acquiring him so convinced them to take a look at the roster and get back to them. Edited April 16, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yes, likely because they couldn't find someone to trade draft picks for McCoy, who they wanted to get rid of and might very well have released if they couldn't trade him. And the PFT blurb talks about Kiko as a "too-small-for-their-system" LB. I doubt they made that up on their own or that Kiko was traded without Rex's consent. Hell they were all there on Pegs' yacht and all Whaley had to do was yell over to Rex "yo man, they want McCoy for Kiko" and if he had a problem with it, the deal wouldn't have gotten done, or done so quickly. As if being on a yacht weren't awesome enough, imagine their jubilation after getting that call. That's when you know you're living the life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Yeah, and Whaley coughed Kiko right up. So doc is right, your conclusion that Rex wanted Kiko doesn't follow... FOCUS WEO my comment argued against the notion that Rex wanted Kiko gone from the get go and used him as the FIRST trade option. the link provided above argues otherwise. picks first then Philly asked for Kiko please - PROVIDE A LINK to support yours and Doc's assumptions. --- and not a link to TDB conjecture as to KIKO - I like the guy but the D did pretty darn good w/o him this past season. and FWIW Chip was getting his Ducks in a row Edited April 17, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellaman101 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 im not a football expert but I played with a bad knee I will say this, Kiko had 2 reconstructed knees now and it will come back to haunt him before he hits 30. LB is the most physically demanding strain position for knees and shockingly, QB is second due to where you are hit at and the angles you have to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) As if being on a yacht weren't awesome enough, imagine their jubilation after getting that call. That's when you know you're living the life. For sure. FOCUS WEO my comment argued against the notion that Rex wanted Kiko gone from the get go and used him as the FIRST trade option. the link provided above argues otherwise. picks first then Philly asked for Kiko please - PROVIDE A LINK to support yours and Doc's assumptions. --- and not a link to TDB conjecture as to KIKO - I like the guy but the D did pretty darn good w/o him this past season. and FWIW Chip was getting his Ducks in a row I don't think anyone is suggesting that Ryan wanted Kiko gone, just that he didn't fit the scheme and was expendable. But Ryan would have tried to fit him if he was still on the roster. And it was the Eagles who came calling, looking for draft picks because they want to move up to get Mariota and get rid of McCoy. It was a no-brainer for the Bills. Edited April 17, 2015 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 im not a football expert but I played with a bad knee I will say this, Kiko had 2 reconstructed knees now and it will come back to haunt him before he hits 30. LB is the most physically demanding strain position for knees and shockingly, QB is second due to where you are hit at and the angles you have to run i hope it's not a situation like Sean Lee in Dallas. He keeps re-tearing his in freak ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) For sure. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Ryan wanted Kiko gone, just that he didn't fit the scheme and was expendable. Ryan would have tried to fit him if he was still on the roster. And it was the Eagles who came calling, looking for draft picks because they want to move up to get Mariota and get rid of McCoy. lets agree to disagree WRT Rex wanting Kiko . As I recall it - there were stories that indicated Rex didn't want Kiko. there are at least 3 Kiko threads many pages deep if you care to read them. I posted a link to 2 of them Again the OP link says Philly asked for picks first then Philly calling back then asking for Kiko. Edited April 17, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I love how this trade went down on Terry's yacht over wine and cigars That's how #onebuffalo rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 lets agree to disagree WRT Rex wanting Kiko . As I recall it - there were stories that indicated Rex didn't want Kiko. there are at least 3 Kiko threads many pages deep if you care to read them. I posted a link to 2 of them Again the OP link says Philly asked for picks first then Philly calling back then asking for Kiko. We'll agree to disagree then. I no qualms believing that Ryan felt Kiko didn't fit his scheme and hence the Bills jumped at the chance to trade him to the Eagles when they inquired, as evidenced by the speed of the trade. If your argument is that the Bills didn't offer-up Kiko when first contacted, I think that a) the Eagles made it clear they were looking for picks, because again, they want to move up to get Mariota and when the Bills refused they said they'd talk to other teams and b) they didn't think they could get a Pro Bowl RB for a LB who was coming off an ACL injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) We'll agree to disagree then. I no qualms believing that Ryan felt Kiko didn't fit his scheme and hence the Bills jumped at the chance to trade him to the Eagles when they inquired, as evidenced by the speed of the trade. If your argument is that the Bills didn't offer-up Kiko when first contacted, I think that a) the Eagles made it clear they were looking for picks, because again, they want to move up to get Mariota and when the Bills refused they said they'd talk to other teams and b) they didn't think they could get a Pro Bowl RB for a LB who was coming off an ACL injury. um ok we agree the Iggles wanted picks, then after a bit settled for the former Duck and Rex didn't offer Kiko from the get go. curious - wasnt Jason Taylor also thought to be "too small"? Edited April 17, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 We'll agree to disagree then. I no qualms believing that Ryan felt Kiko didn't fit his scheme and hence the Bills jumped at the chance to trade him to the Eagles when they inquired, as evidenced by the speed of the trade. If your argument is that the Bills didn't offer-up Kiko when first contacted, I think that a) the Eagles made it clear they were looking for picks, because again, they want to move up to get Mariota and when the Bills refused they said they'd talk to other teams and b) they didn't think they could get a Pro Bowl RB for a LB who was coming off an ACL injury. Why did Whaley say look at our roster then, and not, how about Kiko? There is zero chance Ryan wanted Kiko gone. He loves guys like that. He just had three guys for two positions so he wasnt a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Why did Whaley say look at our roster then, and not, how about Kiko? There is zero chance Ryan wanted Kiko gone. He loves guys like that. He just had three guys for two positions so he wasnt a necessity. until they provide a link stating otherwise we'll assume that their opinion based on rumor is meaningless. Kiko was/is a baller, but McCoy was well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 To me it talks about how much they think of Preston Brown Preston Brown was a BEAST in his rookie season.........and they probably expect him to get even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) People are over thinking this. Eagles were shopping McCoy. Bills were interested at the right price. The draft pick were prized because of the situation. Bill saw McCoy as more valuable to them than kiko, and the Eagles saw kiko as more valuable to them than McCoy. These deals are based on decisions in marginal variances not absolutes like, chip doesn't like McCoy and Rex doesn't like kiko. Edit: trades should be thought of more as relative arbitrage plays. Edited April 17, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 People are over thinking this. Eagles were shopping McCoy. Bills were interested at the right price. The draft pick were prized because of the situation. Bill saw McCoy as more valuable to them than kiko, and the Eagles saw kiko as more valuable to them than McCoy. These deals are based on decisions in marginal variances not absolutes like, chip doesn't like McCoy and Rex doesn't like kiko. Edit: trades should be thought of more as relative arbitrage plays. I'm not sure people are even debating the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I am not positive that Rex didnt like Kiko I think it was more "we have an opportunity to subtract a player from a number 4 overall ranked defense in order help a bad bills offense" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 um ok we agree the Iggles wanted picks, then after a bit settled for the former Duck and Rex didn't offer Kiko from the get go. Curious - wasnt Jason Taylor also thought to be "too small"? So you're disputing the assertion that Ryan didn't see Kiko as a fit for the defense? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 So you're disputing the assertion that Ryan didn't see Kiko as a fit for the defense? Why? I will. It makes zero sense. Rex does not play a 3-4, he plays every possible defensive formation -- Kiko is EXTREMELY versatile, both against the pass and the run. Rex loves aggressive, instinctive players -- Kiko is very aggressive and instinctive. Rex loves guys that make plays and cause turnovers -- Kiko does that, Rex loves guys that have a nose for the ball and get to the ball quick. -- that's Kiko's greatest strength. There is zero chance he doesnt like or want Kiko. He just loved watching the Bills defense last year with Bradham and Brown, who have more size and one of the three would not be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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