DC Tom Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Someday we're going to get the answers to important questions that seem to always be out there. Until then, one nagging question I have for you is "How the phuck are you able to make your way to a computer and post comments in an internet forum when all the evidence suggests you are barely intelligent enough to feed yourself?" Are you suggesting a test for viability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Serious question for the pro-life crowd: Should a woman be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying? Should a woman be charged with endangering the welfare of a child for smoking or drinking while pregnant? How about if she isn't following a healthy diet? What if she refuses to eat, period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Someday we're going to get the answers to important questions that seem to always be out there. Until then, one nagging question I have for you is "How the phuck are you able to make your way to a computer and post comments in an internet forum when all the evidence suggests you are barely intelligent enough to feed yourself?" Again, a personal attack instead of answering the question. I know this forum tends to think me fairly idiotic*, but I am quite capable of taking care of myself. Should a woman be charged with endangering the welfare of a child for smoking or drinking while pregnant? How about if she isn't following a healthy diet? What if she refuses to eat, period? While I personally think it's ****ty for her to do those things, I'm not so sure if it can be enforced legally without entering an impossibly slippery slope. What do you think? And what do you think about the original question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Possibly. But that doesn't answer my question. If life starts at conception, and the mother is wholly responsible for said life, and the mother unintentionally kills said life, shouldn't the mother be charged with manslaughter? If she knew what she was doing would affect her child and it was somehow provable that her actions did indeed cause the miscarriage, I would absolutely be for criminal charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If she knew what she was doing would affect her child and it was somehow provable that her actions did indeed cause the miscarriage, I would absolutely be for criminal charges. But if she knew, then it wouldn't be manslaughter, would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 But if she knew, then it wouldn't be manslaughter, would it? Did I say manslaughter? Did I? What did I say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Possibly. But that doesn't answer my question. If life starts at conception, and the mother is wholly responsible for said life, and the mother unintentionally kills said life, shouldn't the mother be charged with manslaughter? That's not what manslaughter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Did I say manslaughter? Did I? What did I say? I asked about manslaughter, so I assumed that's what you were responding to. My apologies. That's not what manslaughter is. Isn't it killing someone "accidentally" or through negligence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Again, a personal attack instead of answering the question. I know this forum tends to think me fairly idiotic*, but I am quite capable of taking care of myself. While I personally think it's ****ty for her to do those things, I'm not so sure if it can be enforced legally without entering an impossibly slippery slope. What do you think? And what do you think about the original question? I think it would be preposterous to charge a woman with murder under those circumstances. Just for clarification, I support a woman's right to choose. Morality cannot be legislated and I think it's a moral question. I have never met one person who supports a woman's right to choose who wasn't also pro-life, BTW. EDIT: Just realized you said manslaughter. And no, I don't think it merits a manslaughter charge, either. Edited July 29, 2015 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think it would be preposterous to charge a woman with murder under those circumstances. Just for clarification, I support a woman's right to choose. Morality cannot be legislated and I think it's a moral question. I have never met one person who supports a woman's right to choose who wasn't also pro-life, BTW. EDIT: Just realized you said manslaughter. And no, I don't think it merits a manslaughter charge, either. I'm pro-choice myself, I'm just trying to figure out the line of responsibility of the pro-lifers so I can better understand the argument. I'm not going to change their minds, they probably aren't going to change mine. I'm just trying to figure it out exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm pro-choice myself, I'm just trying to figure out the line of responsibility of the pro-lifers so I can better understand the argument. I'm not going to change their minds, they probably aren't going to change mine. I'm just trying to figure it out exactly. Do you charge a nursing home attendant with anything when a patient dies of natural causes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Do you charge a nursing home attendant with anything when a patient dies of natural causes? Why are you guys asking questions instead of answering? As far as I'm concerned, if it's natural causes, it's natural causes. It sucks, it happens. But I'm also not arguing that mothers are 'murdering babies' by aborting a fetus that's not able to live without artificial support. There, I've answered questions. How about some folks answer mine. Edited July 29, 2015 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Why are you guys asking questions instead of answering? As far as I'm concerned, if it's natural causes, it's natural causes. It sucks, it happens. But I'm also not arguing that mothers are 'murdering babies' by aborting a fetus that's not able to live without artificial support. There, I've answered questions. How about some folks answer mine. The best I can tell is that you're asking if a woman unintentionally kills her unborn baby should she be charged with a crime. Define "unintentionally". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is really getting into "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is" territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Possibly. But that doesn't answer my question. If life starts at conception, and the mother is wholly responsible for said life, and the mother unintentionally kills said life, shouldn't the mother be charged with manslaughter? Ow Ow Ow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) There, I've answered questions. How about some folks answer mine. Ok, relevant NYS Penal law being used here: A person commits second-degree manslaughter when he or she (a) recklessly causes the death of another person. So, no. A woman who miscarries typically did not recklessly cause the death of her child. P.S. "Recklessly" for these purposes means that said person was aware of and consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk that their actions would result in a person's death. Edited July 29, 2015 by LeviF91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ok, relevant NYS Penal law being used here: A person commits second-degree manslaughter when he or she (a) recklessly causes the death of another person. So, no. A woman who miscarries typically did not recklessly cause the death of her child. Thanks for a concise answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I haven't heard a good definition of what counts as viability yet. The healthy fetus is going to be viable in the future. The person that was in a car wreck and is temporarily on life support may not be presently viable, but could be viable by tomorrow. The person thought to be not viable has the plug pulled by his wife but he survives on his own. Since she made an overt act to end a viable person's life, is she guilty of attempted murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I think it would be preposterous to charge a woman with murder under those circumstances. Just for clarification, I support a woman's right to choose. Morality cannot be legislated and I think it's a moral question. I have never met one person who supports a woman's right to choose who wasn't also pro-life, BTW. EDIT: Just realized you said manslaughter. And no, I don't think it merits a manslaughter charge, either. What about a man's right to choose? He's on the hook no matter what with no say on the matter? I already did. Yeah but seriously. Serious question for the pro-life crowd: Should a woman be charged with manslaughter for miscarrying? Not by a blanket charge. Factors like knowing the definition of manslaughter would help differentiate cases. Should a woman be charged with murder for throwing herself down a flight of stairs in order to terminate an 8 month pregnancy? And one more. Should a man be charged manslaughter if he accidentally causes the termination of a woman's 4 month pregnancy? Edited July 29, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Just for clarification, I support a woman's right to choose. Morality cannot be legislated and I think it's a moral question. Up to what point does she no longer have the right to "choose"? When the baby is born? a day before? a month? at 28 weeks? Where is your cut off point? For the record, I support a woman's right to choose but up to a certain point. At some point, that fetus in my view then becomes a baby. And a woman's right to choose does not supersede the right of that baby to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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