thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Compare EJ's Tampa game to Jeff's KC game.No problem... Except that EJ managed to look just fine as a rookie first time starter against Bill Belichick and NE*, and there's the little matter of TB (and Pittsburgh) having 5 or 6 games of NFL tape on the kid, and those were road games...so the situations aren't comparable at all. I honestly have no idea why you're so committed to supporting Tuel here, to the extent that you're willfully ignoring the point of my previous post. He's had nothing resembling success at any level of the game. Edited April 14, 2015 by thebandit27
FireChan Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 No problem... Except that EJ managed to look just fine as a rookie first time starter against Bill Belichick and NE*, and there's the little matter of TB (and Pittsburgh) having 5 or 6 games of NFL tape on the kid, and those were road games...so the situations aren't comparable at all. I honestly have no idea why you're so committed to supporting Tuel here, to the extent that you're willfully ignoring the point of my previous post. He's had nothing resembling success at any level of the game. I'm committed to thinking its asinine to write off a rookie UDFA QB based on a game he got thrown into 2 years ago.
Kelly the Dog Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I'm committed to thinking its asinine to write off a rookie UDFA QB based on a game he got thrown into 2 years ago. How about due to the fact he was also terrible in college, benched his senior season by a renown QB guru because of the same issues, and no one picked him up when he was released last year?
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I'm committed to thinking its asinine to write off a rookie UDFA QB based on a game he got thrown into 2 years ago. I still can't say I fully understand where/how you draw that line for yourself.
thebandit27 Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 How about due to the fact he was also terrible in college, benched his senior season by a renown QB guru because of the same issues, and no one picked him up when he was released last year?Basically I'm committed to thinking its asinine to write off a rookie UDFA QB based on a game he got thrown into 2 years ago. Then how about we go in the other direction: what's he shown that has you in the "he could be the guy" camp, or is this simply an exercise wrought from pure boredom?
FireChan Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 How about due to the fact he was also terrible in college, benched his senior season by a renown QB guru because of the same issues, and no one picked him up when he was released last year? How about due to the fact he's still on an NFL roster? You think its all a coincidence? Or a conspiracy, to get Jeff collecting $400k paychecks? Remember when we all laughed at Chandler not getting sniffs in FA, and later he got snapped up by the best NFL coach in history? I do. I still can't say I fully understand where/how you draw that line for yourself. Elaborate. Basically Then how about we go in the other direction: what's he shown that has you in the "he could be the guy" camp, or is this simply an exercise wrought from pure boredom? I thought he looked pretty good in the first half of the KC game. I mean, yeah, he blew it at the end. And I know that rushing for 100 yards in the first half helps QB's look good. But that doesn't invalidate everything.
QCity Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Where do you see a QB past Winston and Mariota who is or will be anything more than what Tuel is without the benefit of going into his third year of professional coaching? So why, why would you waste a draft pick for a number four QB? Every single QB in the draft has more value than Tuel. Tuel was released last year and he cleared waivers i.e. nobody wanted him. We're not "wasting" a draft pick on a "number four QB," we're using a pick on a guy that can be developed into a starter. And based on the garbage we have on this team at QB, it's probably not as big of a longshot as people think. And Roman didn't specifically say Tuel will get 1st string reps. He said every QB on the roster will. Joe Buscaglia@JoeBuscaglia #Bills OC Greg Roman: Every QB will get a chance with the first team
Manther Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Just to be clear I'm not advocating for Tuel (at all). I am just saying that there is no reason to not take a look at him especially if they are going with the duel practice field approach. I'm starting to get the feeling (maybe it's just me) that they want Tyrod to be the guy. He is the guy that they brought here and a guy that Rex tried to trade for previously. He has electrifying speed and they may see him as a read option type of guy like RW. They wanted McCown badly and settled for Cassel. He has the highest floor so will certainly be given a chance (if not the early clubhouse lead). EJ will be a prominent figure in the competition as well. I think that Cassel is still the favorite to start at this point (maybe 65%), followed be EJ (30%) and Tyrod (5%). If Tyrod looks on par with those guys though you will certainly see his % rise. I would guess, EJ 40%, Cassel 30%, Taylor 30%, Tuel 0%.
Kirby Jackson Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I would guess, EJ 40%, Cassel 30%, Taylor 30%, Tuel 0%.I was kind of taking what Joe Buscaglia said the other day (Cassel 55%, EJ 30%, Tyrod 14.5% & Tuel .5%) and tweaking it.
TheJuice Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 He will be lucky to make the PS. His value to the previous regime was that he knew the Marrackett playbook and provided cheap "depth"(out of desperation for a healthy arm). That playbook is gone, as is the need for depth. #tueltime is over. LMO. Will he make it to training camp is my question.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 How about due to the fact he was also terrible in college, benched his senior season by a renown QB guru because of the same issues, and no one picked him up when he was released last year? The fact that he was bad in college is the most interesting/troublesome red flag, IMO. I can't recall a single bad college QB who turned into a great pro QB. But his situation was odd too and he had lot of injuries. His first start against KC didn't bother me. I actually found this article, which is unsurprising and shows lots of great QB's who have terrible first starts: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000445192/article/troy-aikman-peyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts
fridge Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 I thought he looked pretty good in the first half of the KC game. I mean, yeah, he blew it at the end. And I know that rushing for 100 yards in the first half helps QB's look good. But that doesn't invalidate everything. Everything? Elaborate "everything". It's bad enough that you dug yourself a Tuel grave, now please tell us his strengths before you have to bury yourself in it come August.
FireChan Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Everything? Elaborate "everything". It's bad enough that you dug yourself a Tuel grave, now please tell us his strengths before you have to bury yourself in it come August. I didn't dig myself in anything.
Dragonborn10 Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Tuel won't be on the roster the Monday after the draft
maddenboy Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Can you explain this to me please. There's not a shred of truth to that. In the K.C. game ( we won't even use the Browns game) Mr. Tuel completed just 3 passes out of 39 that went more than 10 yards in the air. The three went 16 yards downfield, the second went 44 yards and the third went 10 yards. his QBR was 16.8, his rating was 52.2. His career completion percentage is 44.1%. The link below gives you the play by play along with LOS and where the pass was caught. http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=331103002&period=1 Imo Not saying he is a finished product. I am saying he has the right attitude. There's a reason he has lasted so long on the roster. They see "something" in him. And I'm saying I think its his "moxy." You cant teach attitude. I think he gets it. He's not a Frankenstein out there. He's kinda like a taller Doug Flutie. Trying to make something happen. Edited April 14, 2015 by maddenboy
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 @AroundTheNFL: All four Bills QBs will get first string reps, Greg Roman says http://t.co/4lmy2HJE2l sure, why not
ALF Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Hopefully Roman and Lee can judge QB potential correctly, then be able to teach what is needed.
NoSaint Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 How about due to the fact he's still on an NFL roster? You think its all a coincidence? Or a conspiracy, to get Jeff collecting $400k paychecks Lots of folks on this roster today are not going to make 400k. As a practice squad player it may have been as little as 100k.
ALF Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Was curious what Tuel's salary was, $510K in 2015, $600K 2016, someone was impressed after his first season http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jeff-tuel/
GG Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Kid was thrown into the line-up with hardly any reps during the spring . No 1st team reps until a week or two before the game. What ? Against the #1 team defense in the nfl that week. C`mon. I think if he had the reps EJ was given,he would be just as good or better. And E.J. was a 1st rd pick. And that's the thing, people's judgment of that game is clouded by pre-game expectations that Tuel would be horrible going against an undefeated team. But when he played merely adequately, that raised the expectations. But if you look at it objectively, he was barely adequate and that's why he's third string. Same phenomenon happened when Trentative had his "breakout" game in prime time. How did that work out?
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