3rdnlng Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Deter Iran? Its what the heck is deterring Saudis we need to be concerned with Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism,[90] which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and others. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton.[91] According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups."[92] The violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan is partly bankrolled by wealthy, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.[91] Three other Arab countries which are listed as sources of militant money are Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, all neighbors of Saudi Arabia. Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses. Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups.[91][93] The Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.[91][94] According to studies, most of suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis.[95][96][97] 15 of the 19 hijackers of the four airliners who were responsible for 9/11 originated from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.[98] Osama bin Laden was a Saudi by birth. His family is a wealthy one intimately connected with the innermost circles of the Saudi royal family. Starting in the mid-1970s the Islamic resurgence was funded by an abundance of money from Saudi Arabian oil exports.[99] The tens of billions of dollars in "petro-Islam" largess obtained from the recently heightened price of oil funded an estimated "90% of the expenses of the entire faith."[100] Throughout the Sunni Muslim world, religious institutions for people both young and old, from children's maddrassas to high-level scholarships received Saudi funding,[101] "books, scholarships, fellowships, and mosques" (for example, "more than 1500 mosques were built and paid for with money obtained from public Saudi funds over the last 50 years"),[102] along with training in the Kingdom for the preachers and teachers who went on to teach and work at these universities, schools, mosques, etc.[103] The funding was also used to reward journalists and academics who followed the Saudis' strict interpretation of Islam; and satellite campuses were built around Egypt for Al Azhar, the world's oldest and most influential Islamic university.[104] The interpretation of Islam promoted by this funding was the strict, conservative Saudi-based Wahhabism or Salafism. In its harshest form it preached that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way," but "hate them for their religion ... for Allah's sake," that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century," that Shia and other non-Wahhabi Muslims were "infidels", etc.[105] While this effort has by no means converted all, or even most, Muslims to the Wahhabist interpretation of Islam, it has done much to overwhelm more moderate local interpretations, and has set the Saudi-interpretation of Islam as the "gold standard" of religion in Muslims' minds.[106] Critics[who?] have argued that by its nature, Wahhabism encourages intolerance and promotes terrorism.[107] Former CIA director James Woolsey described it as "the soil in which Al-Qaeda and its sister terrorist organizations are flourishing."[108] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism OK, so wouldn't it behoove us to make sure that Iran doesn't get nukes so that the evil empire that is Saudi Arabia doesn't feel compelled to have their own nukes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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truth on hold Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Gotta love them fun lovin' Saudis Airstrikes in Yemen hit world heritage site SANA'A, Yemen - Saudi-led airstrikes targeting Shiite rebels and their allies in Yemen destroyed historic houses on Friday in the center of the capital, Sana'a, a UNESCO world heritage site. Rescue teams digging through the debris pulled the bodies of six civilians from under the rubble. In the Sana'a airstrikes, residents initially believed the warplanes had targeted a house occupied by a senior rebel commander, but officials and witnesses later said there were no Shiite rebels among the victims. The impact of the missiles flattened at least three houses and caused cracks in surrounding buildings, which are cemented to one another, leaving large sections of the old city's district at the risk of collapse. At a destroyed four-story building, a reporter saw a pile of bricks, dust and wood mingled with clothes, kitchenware and water tanks, which are traditionally kept on roofs. An adjacent three-story building was split in half, wooden window frames dangling from the upper floors. Rescue workers were covered with dust as they searched for victims. Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20150613_Airstrikes_in_Yemen_hit_world_heritage_site.html#tuUYeZdj8G2ejyrC.99 Edited June 13, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 In the Sana'a airstrikes For a quick second a thought that said, in the Santa airstrikes. They could have called that one Operation Blitz Blitzen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 For a quick second a thought that said, in the Santa airstrikes. They could have called that one Operation Blitz BlitzenI'm sure that "infidel's" sleigh wouldn't last 2 minutes in air space controlled by Saudis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I'm sure that "infidel's" sleigh wouldn't last 2 minutes in air space controlled by Saudis http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104230/we-gotta-a-red-sleigh-down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 For a quick second a thought that said, in the Santa airstrikes. They could have called that one Operation Blitz Blitzen You must have had a red nose to think that. (ala Foster Brooks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 OK, so wouldn't it behoove us to make sure that Iran doesn't get nukes so that the evil empire that is Saudi Arabia doesn't feel compelled to have their own nukes? It sure would; however, negotiating with Iran doesn't appear to be the route to take since they have zero respect for any aspect of western culture and openly demonstrate it by statements deriding most non-Arab nations. Does it make sense to painstakingly fashion an agreement that the Iran's leader says will not be honored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 It sure would; however, negotiating with Iran doesn't appear to be the route to take since they have zero respect for any aspect of western culture and openly demonstrate it by statements deriding most non-Arab nations. Does it make sense to painstakingly fashion an agreement that the Iran's leader says will not be honored? I think John McCain's policy is probably the only one that would actually get them to change their ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Why is it when they get involved (Syria now Yemen), ISIS make gains? Islamic State car bombs kill or injure 50 in Yemeni capital Car bombs killed or injured at least 50 people near mosques and the headquarters of Yemen's dominant Houthi group in Sanaa on Wednesday, in coordinated attacks claimed by Islamic State. The four blasts rocked the capital as Saudi-led forces conducted more air strikes against Houthi military bases across Yemen and Houthi delegates attending peace talks in Switzerland reported the first tentative progress on the second day of a U.N.-sponsored push for a Ramadan truce. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/17/us-yemen-security-idUSKBN0OX0KQ20150617 what a miserable lot that house of saud Edited June 18, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 This ought to be good. Time to expose what those creeps have been up to WikiLeaks publishing Saudi diplomatic documents http://nypost.com/2015/06/19/wikileaks-publishing-saudi-diplomatic-documents/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 This ought to be good. Time to expose what those creeps have been up to WikiLeaks publishing Saudi diplomatic documents http://nypost.com/2015/06/19/wikileaks-publishing-saudi-diplomatic-documents/ Wouldn't it be easier for you to just post "bump"? "Crusade" would work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't it be easier for you to just post "bump"? "Crusade" would work too.I see you have no real interest in discussing the forces that predominate world affairs. Just want to post stuff like "you're an idiot", " Obama's a socialist", etc Not for you, but others, some insight into how the kingdom manipulates Arab media ________ Documents reveal the extensive efforts to monitor and co-opt Arab media, making sure to correct any deviations in regional coverage of Saudi Arabia and Saudi-related matters. Saudi Arabia's strategy for co-opting Arab media takes two forms, corresponding to the "carrot and stick" approach, referred to in the documents as "neutralisation" and "containment". The approach is customised depending on the market and the media in question. "Contain" and "Neutralise" The initial reaction to any negative coverage in the regional media is to "neutralise" it. The term is used frequently in the cables and it pertains to individual journalists and media institutions whose silence and co-operation has been bought. "Neutralised" journalists and media institutions are not expected to praise and defend the Kingdom, only to refrain from publishing news that reflects negatively on the Kingdom, or any criticism of its policies. The "containment" approach is used when a more active propaganda effort is required. Journalists and media institutions relied upon for "containment" are expected not only to sing the Kingdom's praises, but to lead attacks on any party that dares to air criticisms of the powerful Gulf state. One of the ways "neutralisation" and "containment" are ensured is by purchasing hundreds or thousands of subscriptions in targeted publications. These publications are then expected to return the favour by becoming an "asset" in the Kingdom's propaganda strategy. A document listing the subscriptions that needed renewal by 1 January 2010 details a series of contributory sums meant for two dozen publications in Damascus, Abu Dhabi, Beirut, Kuwait, Amman and Nouakchott. The sums range from $500 to 9,750 Kuwaiti Dinars ($33,000). The Kingdom effectively buys reverse "shares" in the media outlets, where the cash "dividends" flow the opposite way, from the shareholder to the media outlet. In return Saudi Arabia gets political "dividends" an obliging press. An example of these co-optive practices in action can be seen in an exchange between the Saudi Foreign Ministry and its Embassy in Cairo. On 24 November 2011 Egypt's Arabic-language broadcast station ONTV hosted the Saudi opposition figure Saad al-Faqih, which prompted the Foreign Ministry to task the embassy with inquiring into the channel. The Ministry asked the embassy to find out how "to co-opt it or else we must consider it standing in the line opposed to the Kingdom's policies". The document reports that the billionaire owner of the station, Naguib Sawiris, did not want to be "opposed to the Kingdom's policies" and that he scolded the channel director, asking him "never to host al-Faqih again". He also asked the Ambassador if he'd like to be "a guest on the show". The Saudi Cables are rife with similar examples, some detailing the figures and the methods of payment. These range from small but vital sums of around $2000/year to developing country media outlets a figure the Guinean News Agency "urgently needs" as "it would solve many problems that the agency is facing" to millions of dollars, as in the case of Lebanese right-wing television station MTV. Confrontation The "neutralisation" and "containment" approaches are not the only techniques the Saudi Ministry is willing to employ. In cases where "containment" fails to produce the desired effect, the Kingdom moves on to confrontation. In one example, the Foreign Minister was following a Royal Decree dated 20 January 2010 to remove Irans new Arabic-language news network, Al-Alam, from the main Riyadh-based regional communications satellite operator, Arabsat. After the plan failed, Saud Al Faisal sought to "weaken its broadcast signal". The documents show concerns within the Saudi administration over the social upheavals of 2011, which became known in the international media as the "Arab Spring". The cables note with concern that after the fall of Mubarak, coverage of the upheavals in Egyptian media was "being driven by public opinion instead of driving public opinion". The Ministry resolved "to give financial support to influential media institutions in Tunisia", the birthplace of the Arab Spring. The cables reveal that the government employs a different approach for its own domestic media. There, a wave of the Royal hand is all that is required to adjust the output of state-controlled media. A complaint from former Lebanese Prime Minister and Saudi citizen Saad Hariri concerning articles critical of him in the Saudi-owned Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat newspapers prompted a directive to "stop these type of articles" from the Foreign Ministry. https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/buying-silence Edited June 20, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Joe the Sandusky's proponents buddies said this in Farsi. It was probably just them singing Happy Birthday to us for July 4 and got poorly translated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I see you have no real interest in discussing the forces that predominate world affairs. Just want to post stuff like "you're an idiot", " Obama's a socialist", etc Not for you, but others, some insight into how the kingdom manipulates Arab media ________ Documents reveal the extensive efforts to monitor and co-opt Arab media, making sure to correct any deviations in regional coverage of Saudi Arabia and Saudi-related matters. Saudi Arabia's strategy for co-opting Arab media takes two forms, corresponding to the "carrot and stick" approach, referred to in the documents as "neutralisation" and "containment". The approach is customised depending on the market and the media in question. "Contain" and "Neutralise" The initial reaction to any negative coverage in the regional media is to "neutralise" it. The term is used frequently in the cables and it pertains to individual journalists and media institutions whose silence and co-operation has been bought. "Neutralised" journalists and media institutions are not expected to praise and defend the Kingdom, only to refrain from publishing news that reflects negatively on the Kingdom, or any criticism of its policies. The "containment" approach is used when a more active propaganda effort is required. Journalists and media institutions relied upon for "containment" are expected not only to sing the Kingdom's praises, but to lead attacks on any party that dares to air criticisms of the powerful Gulf state. One of the ways "neutralisation" and "containment" are ensured is by purchasing hundreds or thousands of subscriptions in targeted publications. These publications are then expected to return the favour by becoming an "asset" in the Kingdom's propaganda strategy. A document listing the subscriptions that needed renewal by 1 January 2010 details a series of contributory sums meant for two dozen publications in Damascus, Abu Dhabi, Beirut, Kuwait, Amman and Nouakchott. The sums range from $500 to 9,750 Kuwaiti Dinars ($33,000). The Kingdom effectively buys reverse "shares" in the media outlets, where the cash "dividends" flow the opposite way, from the shareholder to the media outlet. In return Saudi Arabia gets political "dividends" an obliging press. An example of these co-optive practices in action can be seen in an exchange between the Saudi Foreign Ministry and its Embassy in Cairo. On 24 November 2011 Egypt's Arabic-language broadcast station ONTV hosted the Saudi opposition figure Saad al-Faqih, which prompted the Foreign Ministry to task the embassy with inquiring into the channel. The Ministry asked the embassy to find out how "to co-opt it or else we must consider it standing in the line opposed to the Kingdom's policies". The document reports that the billionaire owner of the station, Naguib Sawiris, did not want to be "opposed to the Kingdom's policies" and that he scolded the channel director, asking him "never to host al-Faqih again". He also asked the Ambassador if he'd like to be "a guest on the show". The Saudi Cables are rife with similar examples, some detailing the figures and the methods of payment. These range from small but vital sums of around $2000/year to developing country media outlets a figure the Guinean News Agency "urgently needs" as "it would solve many problems that the agency is facing" to millions of dollars, as in the case of Lebanese right-wing television station MTV. Confrontation The "neutralisation" and "containment" approaches are not the only techniques the Saudi Ministry is willing to employ. In cases where "containment" fails to produce the desired effect, the Kingdom moves on to confrontation. In one example, the Foreign Minister was following a Royal Decree dated 20 January 2010 to remove Irans new Arabic-language news network, Al-Alam, from the main Riyadh-based regional communications satellite operator, Arabsat. After the plan failed, Saud Al Faisal sought to "weaken its broadcast signal". The documents show concerns within the Saudi administration over the social upheavals of 2011, which became known in the international media as the "Arab Spring". The cables note with concern that after the fall of Mubarak, coverage of the upheavals in Egyptian media was "being driven by public opinion instead of driving public opinion". The Ministry resolved "to give financial support to influential media institutions in Tunisia", the birthplace of the Arab Spring. The cables reveal that the government employs a different approach for its own domestic media. There, a wave of the Royal hand is all that is required to adjust the output of state-controlled media. A complaint from former Lebanese Prime Minister and Saudi citizen Saad Hariri concerning articles critical of him in the Saudi-owned Al-Hayat and Asharq Al-Awsat newspapers prompted a directive to "stop these type of articles" from the Foreign Ministry. https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/buying-silence For you to make that claim exemplifies your ignorance and lack of homework, again. That is why I can't take you seriously and usually ignore you schit. In this case i didn't ignore your schit and was reminded of your ignorance and lack of homework. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I see you have no real interest in discussing the forces that predominate world affairs. Just want to post stuff like "you're an idiot", " Obama's a socialist", etc You don't have any interest in it either. You'd rather discuss boogeyman hiding in the closet. That's why you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Kuwait Mosque Bomber Identified as Saudi National Explosion on Friday in Kuwait City killed 27 and injured more than 200http://www.wsj.com/articles/kuwait-mosque-bomber-identified-as-saudi-national-1435486112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 our other allies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzvgCLtCG8 part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJr3gNNn05g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Jihadis likely winners of Saudi Arabia's futile war on Yemen's Houthi rebels As another 50 civilians die in the forgotten war, only Isis and al-Qaida are gaining from a conflict tearing Yemen apart and leaving 20 million people in need of aid http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/07/jihadis-likely-winners-of-saudi-arabias-futile-war-on-yemens-houthi-rebels Edited July 8, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 Good riddance.... Prince Saud al-Faisal, Longtime Saudi Foreign Minister, Dies at 75 http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/world/middleeast/prince-saud-al-faisal-longtime-saudi-foreign-minister-dies-at-75.html?_r=0&referrer= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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