stinky finger Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Damn. If repetition means anything to success kid'll be alright. He just kept throwing the same route over and over.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) Seriously. Everyone has a deep desire to see him succeed. The problem has never been his arm. Glad he's putting in work, but everyone looks good throwing routes on air.From my view he was better his rookie year. He became very tentative last season. I can envision Marrone, Hackett, and whoever else, telling him not to screw up. That would get to anyone. You can't be thinking during games. You have to feel it, almost on instinct. EJ said he was going stop worrying about turnovers this year. I bet that'll help. Edited March 28, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
Kirby Jackson Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 There are a couple, there always are, who want to be first in line to say "told you so!" but those are a very small minority.I don't disagree but I still think that they would rather the Bills win than be able to say "I told you so." With that being said whenever the Bills are eliminated they will be the ones saying "I told you so."
FireChan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 From my view he was better his rookie year. He became very tentative last season. I can envision Marrone, Hackett, and whoever else, telling him not to screw up. That would get to anyone. You can't be thinking during games. You have to feel it, almost on instinct. EJ said he was going stop worrying about turnovers this year. I bet that'll help. Unless he, you know, starts turning it over a lot.
maddenboy Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 EJ's problem was never arm-strength. His problem is reading defenses, and trusting his reads. This video shows that he is working on his strengths. Not too helpful
K D Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I think EJ can be a poor mans Kappernick in this offense if he can get the ball out quick and accurate and not stare down his receivers. Hopefully he has been working on his mechanics and his follow through. He also needs to be more of a threat to run the ball and he needs to learn how to get down or run out of bounds when the defenders close in on him. It seems like he doesn't have a good feel for those situations. I know they are just getting a sweat going but Hogan is telegraphing his route. Watch the way his body leans and his legs before he makes his out cut. If I'm a DB I'm jumping that route all day. I think he is a good athlete but he still has a lot to learn about being a receiver. Our top 3 guys are so much more advanced I don't know how much he is going to see the field this year barring any injuries
PromoTheRobot Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 EJ's problem was never arm-strength. His problem is reading defenses, and trusting his reads. This video shows that he is working on his strengths. Not too helpful How does one work on the other things with just one WR?Unless he, you know, starts turning it over a lot. Worrying about it makes it more likely to happen.
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I think we need to establish what exactly "panning out" means. It's not a 1 or a zero, he's not always a zero until he's suddenly a 1 and then he panned out. I'm optimistic/ hopeful about him, but he will never be a "franchise guy" in the terms that there are only 6 or 8 in the league... If by "panning out", we're talking about learning enough of an offense tailored to his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses, and being a supporting part of a winning team, than yes, I think we can get to that point. Especially with the offensive coaching staff. I would be more interested in Whaley saying he wishes a clean slate for EJ with the new coaching staff than with Bryce Brown. We have a stable of viable options at RB, with probably 4 other guys we could either sign in FA, or draft, to give comparable results as Brown if he were to be cut, but I think EJ is uniquely talented, and I wish would get a good hard look by the new coaches, and not treated like a 3rd year middling unsuccessful QB that if hou only looked at his stats, would imply, but amid mitigating circumstances.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 If EJ never pans out, it won't be for lack of effort. True. I would hate it if he doesn't man out, but unlike Johnny football, he isn't squandering his talent. I think EJ can be a poor mans Kappernick in this offense if he can get the ball out quick and accurate and not stare down his receivers. Hopefully he has been working on his mechanics and his follow through. He also needs to be more of a threat to run the ball and he needs to learn how to get down or run out of bounds when the defenders close in on him. It seems like he doesn't have a good feel for those situations. I know they are just getting a sweat going but Hogan is telegraphing his route. Watch the way his body leans and his legs before he makes his out cut. If I'm a DB I'm jumping that route all day. I think he is a good athlete but he still has a lot to learn about being a receiver. Our top 3 guys are so much more advanced I don't know how much he is going to see the field this year barring any injuries Poor man's Kaepernick would still be at least average out of 32 starting QBs.
FireChan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 How does one work on the other things with just one WR? Worrying about it makes it more likely to happen. So you're saying that EJ was trying to avoid turnovers and was unsuccessful at avoiding them?
Green Lightning Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 EJ's problem was never arm-strength. His problem is reading defenses, and trusting his reads. This video shows that he is working on his strengths. Not too helpful This sums it up. If he has developed to the point where he can make a read, believe in his instincts and deliver an accurate ball, the sky's the limit. He just hasn't shown it yet and until he does I have to believe Cassel starts.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) So you're saying that EJ was trying to avoid turnovers and was unsuccessful at avoiding them?What I'm saying is you can overthink. The game is too fast to stop and think before you throw. Edited March 28, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
1billsfan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 There are many right here who hate him. That's just plain bull ****. There are dozens of Bills fans who detest him. Read their posts. It's disturbing to say the least. I’m sure these are the same people who were saying that they understood that Manuel was a project and that he was going to take a couple of years before he could ever develop into a franchise QB. Yet, when the rubber met the road and EJ put up an exact copy of the production level that everyone envisioned a raw QB like him would produce, they bailed on him. That's the mentality of today's fans. They don't have the patience for the development part.
It's in My Blood Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Damn. If repetition means anything to success kid'll be alright. He just kept throwing the same route over and over. Hope your being sarcastic.
Bangarang Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I’m sure these are the same people who were saying that they understood that Manuel was a project and that he was going to take a couple of years before he could ever develop into a franchise QB. Yet, when the rubber met the road and EJ put up an exact copy of the production level that everyone envisioned a raw QB like him would produce, they bailed on him. That's the mentality of today's fans. They don't have the patience for the development part. People would likely have more patience if he showed improvement over time. He had an entire off-season, training camp and pre-season getting majority of the 1st team reps. He had no competition to worry about. He didn't show the improvement you'd like to see in a 2nd year QB. That's my biggest issue. We can talk about the physical abilities, arm strength, athleticism or any other buzz word that looks good on paper. All that matters is the way he plays when he's on the field. You'd want to see that he's improving and getting better with time. Project QB or not, you'd want to see signs that's he's getting it and until this point we, or at least me, have yet to see that. He played for and started multiple years at a major football program and was coached by one of the best in the business. It's amazing that people throw out the term project like he was some mid to late round pick who played for a D2 school in a spread offense. Guys like Kolin Kaepernick were true projects. A guy like EJ shouldn't be this big of a project. Sure, Marrone might have been in his head too much and I acknowledge that. But Marrone wasn't telling him to be inaccurate and show a lack of feel for the position. That's all on EJ and it's a pretty big problem at this point. He'll have to show major strides in his game this summer if he's going to win the competition. Edited March 28, 2015 by Bangarang
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 If Rex wants to run 50x a game, how often will he get to throw?.
1billsfan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 People would likely have more patience if he showed improvement over time. He had an entire off-season, training camp and pre-season getting majority of the 1st team reps. He had no competition to worry about. He didn't show the improvement you'd like to see in a 2nd year QB. That's my biggest issue. We can talk about the physical abilities, arm strength and athleticism until we're blue in the face. All that matters is that he's improving and getting better with time. Project QB or not, you'd want to see signs that's he's getting it and until this point we, or at least me, have yet to see that. He played for and started multiple years at a major football program and was coached by one of the best in the business. It's amazing that people throw out the term project like he was some mid to late round pick who played for a D2 school in a spread offense. Guys like Kolin Kaepernick were true projects. A guy like EJ shouldn't be this big of a project. Aaaaah, well there's the rub. Name one guy who got better on offense under Doug Marrone. Sometimes excuses are valid. Marrone was telling a QB who thinks too much and strives to be perfect, to not turn the ball over ever and to never force the issue. That's a failure game plan for developing a franchise NFL QB. It would be once if the haters would actually have the patience to wait see what EJ does under Rex and Roman before quitting on him. These are professional coaches with a track record of success. Marrone was a dunce.
FireChan Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) Aaaaah, well there's the rub. Name one guy who got better on offense under Doug Marrone. Sometimes excuses are valid. Marrone was telling a QB who thinks too much and strives to be perfect, to not turn the ball over ever and to never force the issue. That's a failure game plan for developing a franchise NFL QB. It would be once if the haters would actually have the patience to wait see what EJ does under Rex and Roman before quitting on him. These are professional coaches with a track record of success. Marrone was a dunce. Hogan, Woods. Freddy bounced back from a weak 2012 campaign in 2013. Boobie Dixon had a career year. There's also not one shred of proof that Marrone did any of that stuff. It's pure conjecture passed down the ages. Edited March 28, 2015 by FireChan
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