PaattMaann Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Is Henderson a better fit for LT instead of RT? Either way, if he's lined up at one of the spots, I can imagine there will be LOTS of chips to the edge rushers outside shoulder to allow for Henderson to better get his hands on the defender, something that he struggled with towards the end of last year (guys were giving double moves, and getting around him to the outside) The whole o-line is still a work in progress (the whole point of what Whaley was saying) - and we won't know what the five is until the start of camp That said, I'm expecting a better performance out of the group based on the new coaching staff compared to the old staff alone And lastly: enough of everyone speculating we could see Mario restructure this offseason to make way to a Mathis/Evans trade....we reeaaallllyyyyy need that restructure to happen next year so we can avoid cap nightmare/signing all of our FAs
YoloinOhio Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 No. My bad. Forgive me. I don't Tweet (I'm not a Twat ), it's Twitter ecosystem linky thingys "http:t.co" that they use. I just looked it up. Thought you might have a WordPress site that gets glitz points or whatever. Like I said, just curious. Keep up the good work! haha I don't have anything like that. I'm sure there is a better way to embed all the links and all that but I prefer the way that takes 2.5 seconds lol
Peter Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Big first offseason for Seantrel. Let's see if he shows up in shape and ready to go. It really could go either way with him - he fell to Round 7 because of laziness-type issues. This offseason will really be a tell. True. I hope he is working hard like CK. He has tremendous opportunity. Is Henderson a better fit for LT instead of RT? Either way, if he's lined up at one of the spots, I can imagine there will be LOTS of chips to the edge rushers outside shoulder to allow for Henderson to better get his hands on the defender, something that he struggled with towards the end of last year (guys were giving double moves, and getting around him to the outside) The whole o-line is still a work in progress (the whole point of what Whaley was saying) - and we won't know what the five is until the start of camp That said, I'm expecting a better performance out of the group based on the new coaching staff compared to the old staff alone And lastly: enough of everyone speculating we could see Mario restructure this offseason to make way to a Mathis/Evans trade....we reeaaallllyyyyy need that restructure to happen next year so we can avoid cap nightmare/signing all of our FAs Next year worries me as well. We have some very important players to re-sign.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Henderson was barely average at RT. I don't know why folks would move him to LT. I would prefer to draft a RT, and then work with what we have already.
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Henderson was barely average at RT. I don't know why folks would move him to LT. I would prefer to draft a RT, and then work with what we have already. Well, the prevailing reason would be to get the best 5 on the field--if in fact he's part of the best 5. Specific to Henderson, he basically played his entire career on the left side, and switching to the right (where he's never played) 2 weeks before the season starts didn't really allow him to adjust to the position. It's important to remember that everything is different on the right side. His natural kick-slide, the angles at which defenders approach, the direction of adjustments, etc. are all 180 degrees opposite from those which he's spent his entire football-playing career becoming accustomed. I actually think he'll be much better with an entire offseason of work at the position. Of course, for me, the dream scenario would be for Kouandjio to beat him out for the RT job, allowing Henderson to be the swing OT. That, IMO, is a long shot at best, since I was never a Kouandjio guy in the first place.
Coach Tuesday Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I hope everyone understands one thing with regard to Glenn: if you move him inside, he's leaving as an unrestricted FA next off-season. He's played the majority of his NFL snaps at LT, and he'll get LT money on the open market. You cannot expect him to accept LG money to stay here, even if he moves inside and plays well. That doesn't mean that he won't be moved; that could certainly happen. The only scenario in which he moves that makes sense, IMO, would be for Buffalo to ink him to an extension before they inform him of the move to guard. If that's the case, I believe you'd see: LT - Henderson LG - Glenn C - Wood RG - Incognito RT - Kouandjio/Draft pick That said, I think it's far more likely to be: LT - Glenn LG - vet (Mathis or Evans) OR Draft pick C - Wood RG - Incognito/Urbik/Williams/Richardson winner RT - Henderson/Kouandjio winner Couldn't they just franchise him?
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Couldn't they just franchise him? I suppose they could, but they'd be giving him a 1-year guaranteed contract at approximately $10.5M...for a LG....in an offseason where they need to re-sign Dareus, Bradham, and extend Gilmore as well.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I suppose they could, but they'd be giving him a 1-year guaranteed contract at approximately $10.5M...for a LG....in an offseason where they need to re-sign Dareus, Bradham, and extend Gilmore as well. WRT your previous post... The difference in money between good LTs and top OGs isnt that much. Jake Long is making $8.5mil/year, Iupati just signed a contract averaging $8mil/year. Sure, the top LTs are making $10-12mil/year but I dont think Glenn is up there with Tyron Smith, Joe Thomas, and Ryan Clady. He's very good, but not top-tier. Point is, wherever they play him this year, he's still due to make around $7mil/yr.
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 WRT your previous post... The difference in money between good LTs and top OGs isnt that much. Jake Long is making $8.5mil/year, Iupati just signed a contract averaging $8mil/year. Sure, the top LTs are making $10-12mil/year but I dont think Glenn is up there with Tyron Smith, Joe Thomas, and Ryan Clady. He's very good, but not top-tier. Point is, wherever they play him this year, he's still due to make around $7mil/yr. I know what you're saying; for posterity's sake: Jake Long is currently making nothing; he was released. While I don't think Glenn is a top 5 LT, he is 100% justified in asking for a contract similar to the one Branden Albert got from Miami, which was $9.4M/year with $26M guaranteed (puts him in the top 10 average). By contrast, Iupati got $8M/year with $22M guaranteed. If I'm Glenn, I'm not taking $7M/year to play either position.
Bills Fan in MD Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I'm not happy with the jean shorts Whaley was wearing during his interview on NFL Network that aired last night. Anyone else catch it? That said, love everything that he said.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I know what you're saying; for posterity's sake: Jake Long is currently making nothing; he was released. While I don't think Glenn is a top 5 LT, he is 100% justified in asking for a contract similar to the one Branden Albert got from Miami, which was $9.4M/year with $26M guaranteed (puts him in the top 10 average). By contrast, Iupati got $8M/year with $22M guaranteed. If I'm Glenn, I'm not taking $7M/year to play either position. Sure, I dont disagree. Was just pointing out that the money between the two isnt like the old days. I dont think he's going to take $7mil/year either, and I dont think the Bills would make him a cheap-o OG offer. But who knows.
mikemac2001 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) I'm not happy with the jean shorts Whaley was wearing during his interview on NFL Network that aired last night. Anyone else catch it? That said, love everything that he said. These? Edited March 25, 2015 by mikemac2001
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It's somewhat reassuring to hear that Reuben thinks they were miscoached. I do think that you can get at least one solid player on the right side of the line in the draft and I have to believe that among 3 draft picks, one has starting potential in year 2.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I remain confident that at least one of those three guys drafted last year will get coached up by the new staff and surprise this year. The problem is we may need at least 2 of them to step up.
FireChan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I know what you're saying; for posterity's sake: Jake Long is currently making nothing; he was released. While I don't think Glenn is a top 5 LT, he is 100% justified in asking for a contract similar to the one Branden Albert got from Miami, which was $9.4M/year with $26M guaranteed (puts him in the top 10 average). By contrast, Iupati got $8M/year with $22M guaranteed. If I'm Glenn, I'm not taking $7M/year to play either position. We should restructure everybody and sign Jake.
GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 FYI - OL talk starts past the 9 min mark. For those who can't listen, Brown said Bills should have kicked Glenn inside to LG last year and slotted Henderson at LT. He thinks that's the way Bills should go this year (if they don't add anyone else) and is optimistic about Cyrus's development after working hard in the offseason. I understand why they started the year with Glenn at LT and Henderson at RT, but given how well Henderson played in the pre-season at LT where he was used to playing I would have thought that when they got to the bye and they looked again at the line (which resulted in Urbik coming in) they could have considered kicking Glenn inside, pulling Henderson over to LT moving Pears back to RT and inserting Urbik at RG. I compare the Marrone approach of largely stick with it throughout to the Patriots approach who had realy OL problems early last season and kept changing the line up every week (either swapping positions or personnel) through the first 5 or 6 games until they got something that they were happy with.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I compare the Marrone approach of largely stick with it throughout to the Patriots approach who had realy OL problems early last season and kept changing the line up every week (either swapping positions or personnel) through the first 5 or 6 games until they got something that they were happy with. Yeah, that really got me too. The Pats started out with a sucky line and Brady under too much pressure and the Hoodie and his minions somehow came up with something that worked. Coaching matters.
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Would I be correct in projecting that our starting O-Line will look like this? LT-Glenn LG-Incognito C-Wood RG-Urbik RT-Henderson thats probably worst case scenario which is still better than last year with Pears and Richardson, and with a better coaching staff/schemeThe problem is that the worst case scenario happens when one of the quality starters gets injured. When you are trotting out a line where only three of the five starters are of the quality you'd want, it is a huge risk. They need to not only draft a starter quality player in the 2nd round and hit on him, they need to somehow find another. I'd expect that the 2nd round pick will likely be a guard due to value. That means they need to find a stopgap vet at RT. That might not happen until rosters are thinning. Maybe a post-June 1st cut. It's certainly possible, but it has to be addressed well. Edited March 25, 2015 by BarleyNY
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Well, the prevailing reason would be to get the best 5 on the field--if in fact he's part of the best 5. Specific to Henderson, he basically played his entire career on the left side, and switching to the right (where he's never played) 2 weeks before the season starts didn't really allow him to adjust to the position. It's important to remember that everything is different on the right side. His natural kick-slide, the angles at which defenders approach, the direction of adjustments, etc. are all 180 degrees opposite from those which he's spent his entire football-playing career becoming accustomed. I actually think he'll be much better with an entire offseason of work at the position. Of course, for me, the dream scenario would be for Kouandjio to beat him out for the RT job, allowing Henderson to be the swing OT. That, IMO, is a long shot at best, since I was never a Kouandjio guy in the first place. Bandit, can you come up with a source about Henderson playing his entire career on the left side? Wiki has him playing mostly at RT for the 'canes, when he wasn't suspended or demoted for smokin' Ganja or recovering from back surgery Sporttrac has his college position as ??
billsfan89 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Here is how I see the O-line LT- Glenn LG- Rookie 2nd rounder C- Wood RG- InCognito/Williams RT- Henderson/CK Urbik, Richardson, and the loser of the Henderson/CK battle round out the bench. Loser of the InCognito and Williams battle gets cut
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