The Avenger Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I give it until the opening kickoff before the number of viewing streams outstrips expectations and most of us get a screen that hickups, buffers, or otherwise degrades into something unwatchable. I put the chances of being able to successfully watch the entire game at less than 5%. I see this every year with fantasy football - it takes weeks for the various sites to understand they underestimated how many people would be hitting the systems and to correctly size the back end hardware to support it - I don't see TV as any different and we are the initial guinea pigs. I hope I'm wrong about this.
DC Greg Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I give it until the opening kickoff before the number of viewing streams outstrips expectations and most of us get a screen that hickups, buffers, or otherwise degrades into something unwatchable. I put the chances of being able to successfully watch the entire game at less than 5%. I see this every year with fantasy football - it takes weeks for the various sites to understand they underestimated how many people would be hitting the systems and to correctly size the back end hardware to support it - I don't see TV as any different and we are the initial guinea pigs. I hope I'm wrong about this. I will burn Yahoo to the ground.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 @john_kucko The #Bills #Jaguars London game will be free on Yahoo. Will NOT be televised in Rochester, only Buf/Jax #BillsMafia so this means we have to wake up at like 9 am to watch this buffered garbage? I am still holding out hope that DTV comes through.
Standing>Charging Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure which compression software the NFL uses for their pre-season games but I haven't had good experiences streaming those. You have to hope, especially with how much money Yahoo is spending for these rights, that they use PiedPiper's platform. Edited June 3, 2015 by Standing>Charging
Heitz Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I'm not sure which compression software the NFL uses for their pre-season games but I haven't had good experiences streaming those. You have to hope, especially with how much money Yahoo is spending for these rights, that they use Pide Piper's platform. Was going to say the same, I get the preseason package AND DTV online and while not perfect, it's not a complete disaster either. Upgrading to Xfinity "blast Internet" helped for sure, my home web speed is off the charts (pins the Speedtest.net)! Great PiedPiper reference
GG Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I give it until the opening kickoff before the number of viewing streams outstrips expectations and most of us get a screen that hickups, buffers, or otherwise degrades into something unwatchable. I put the chances of being able to successfully watch the entire game at less than 5%. I see this every year with fantasy football - it takes weeks for the various sites to understand they underestimated how many people would be hitting the systems and to correctly size the back end hardware to support it - I don't see TV as any different and we are the initial guinea pigs. I hope I'm wrong about this. Given the high profile and publicity surrounding this first of a kind internet broadcasting event, I'm sure the league & Yahoo will do everything in their power to over-engineer the stream.
taglientep Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 NOw its not Rochester??? they said it was gonna be showed in ROchester
The Avenger Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 Given the high profile and publicity surrounding this first of a kind internet broadcasting event, I'm sure the league & Yahoo will do everything in their power to over-engineer the stream. I'm not so sure. I've been playing fantasy at CBS for about 15 years and get charged $159/year to keep my league site there. Despite this, and the fact that they know precisiely how many leagues and teams they have signed up, they screw up every single year and live scoring crashes because they somehow had much higher demand on the system than they anticipated. If CBS can do this year after year (I think we are moving to another site this year) and we are only talking about concurrent connections to a Java app I can easily see another company completely screw up a live video feed. It won't take too much for a football broadcast to become unwatchable - data loss and pixlization suck when you're waching a concert or a press conference - they'll downright kill a footbball game if you can't see the ball or whether someone's feet are in or out. In the end, even if you and I get stuck with a game we can't watch, the reports will say "depite a much larger than expected audience, only a few minor technical problems were reported" (like me going postal on my computer). I hope I am wrong, but seeing as this is a first I think we get screwed and it becomes "a learning experience" - there's a reason the first game is 2 small market teams playing in London at 9am EST/6am PST.
BobbyC81 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I'm not sure which compression software the NFL uses for their pre-season games but I haven't had good experiences streaming those. You have to hope, especially with how much money Yahoo is spending for these rights, that they use PiedPiper's platform.
GG Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 It's the first online-only game, but not the first stream of an NFL game. Super Bowl 49 handled 1.3 million streams at the peak. World cup games beat that number. Will Bills Jags generate that much interest online, especially since the biggest audiences for each team will be able to see it on regular TV? Since it's only one game, I don't think it will be that difficult
BobbyC81 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I'm not optomistic. Yahoo has been horrible about fixing things that aren't real time and pretty unsuccessful with some areas that are. For example, go to Yahoo Sports and click on the box score for a baseball game in progress. Note that the score and inning you saw before clicking on the box. When the box opens it is usually for an earlier inning. It eventually refreshes to be current but somtimes is unstable. This has been an issue for a couple years. It's not as bad as it was initially where you could watch it constantly changing from current time to earlier part of the game but still annoying. I guess they can stream a preseason game to evaluate and correct some issues but there's no way to simulate what this London game will really be like. I hope they can figure it out but I'm not looking forward to a pleasant experience. Being on the West coast, I will also have to get up at 6 to watch.
theesir Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I'm shocked that anyone still remembers Yahoo's address
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 I'm shocked that anyone still remembers Yahoo's address I think my phone auto-corrects yahoo to google
What a Tuel Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 sucks for people with data caps Data caps ruined the functionality of phones, and given the same quarter they will ruin the functionality of home internet. When possible they should be opposed on all fronts. If the provider cannot support so many customers then they should not have that many customers. It is utter BS to lower the quality of service for your customers, because you don't have the infrastructure to support them. This pisses me off quite a bit.
machine gun kelly Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 Ok, I'm very deficient in this area (among others according to my kids - just kidding), if I have the Yahoo App on my internet TV, i can simply do a search and find it right? Thanks for any streaming advice for dummies just to make sure I'm good. I'd rather not have to watch on the laptop.
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2015 Author Posted June 3, 2015 Ok, I'm very deficient in this area (among others according to my kids - just kidding), if I have the Yahoo App on my internet TV, i can simply do a search and find it right? Thanks for any streaming advice for dummies just to make sure I'm good. I'd rather not have to watch on the laptop. good question, I have an Apple TV. Wondering i can just watch it on the yahoo app.
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 @john_kucko The #Bills #Jaguars London game will be free on Yahoo. Will NOT be televised in Rochester, only Buf/Jax #BillsMafia So if its not in Rochester its not on the Elmira station for Horseheads....THANKS ROG! I give it until the opening kickoff before the number of viewing streams outstrips expectations and most of us get a screen that hickups, buffers, or otherwise degrades into something unwatchable. I put the chances of being able to successfully watch the entire game at less than 5%. I see this every year with fantasy football - it takes weeks for the various sites to understand they underestimated how many people would be hitting the systems and to correctly size the back end hardware to support it - I don't see TV as any different and we are the initial guinea pigs. I hope I'm wrong about this. This!!!! It's the first online-only game, but not the first stream of an NFL game. Super Bowl 49 handled 1.3 million streams at the peak. World cup games beat that number. Will Bills Jags generate that much interest online, especially since the biggest audiences for each team will be able to see it on regular TV? Since it's only one game, I don't think it will be that difficult I believe the Superbowl was on NBC, not Yahoo. Big difference.
ALF Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Is it more expensive for cable providers to stream a HD program on there internet or TV channel ? They wanted to charge a lot more for high internet usage (cap) but met with resistance.
ganesh Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I give it until the opening kickoff before the number of viewing streams outstrips expectations and most of us get a screen that hickups, buffers, or otherwise degrades into something unwatchable. I put the chances of being able to successfully watch the entire game at less than 5%. I see this every year with fantasy football - it takes weeks for the various sites to understand they underestimated how many people would be hitting the systems and to correctly size the back end hardware to support it - I don't see TV as any different and we are the initial guinea pigs. I hope I'm wrong about this. For the past few years, I have been watching NFL games on HD through live streaming from NFL gamepass and I have not had issues with buffering...I am 10K miles away from the live game. Networks now have the capacity to deal with this. The fear would be is this might be a boon for the service providers. My local provider caps my 20 Mbps link at 80G of data per month. After that I have to pay for every bit of transmission. A 3 hour HD NFL game is around 10+ GB and that doesn't give much chance if you are playing xbox online etc. Is it more expensive for cable providers to stream a HD program on there internet or TV channel ? They wanted to charge a lot more for high internet usage (cap) but met with resistance. They do this in India. It is a gold mine for the service provider.
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