BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 general question for those imagining a trade including EJ. If the Bills "don't want" EJ..... who does? And WHY? The only thing I could rationalize would be that both Washington and Buffalo think the same things about the QB's. Haven't lived up to potential yet, but due to difficult circumstances on the current team, they could benefit from a change in scenery. However, I do not know if Washington's investment in RG3 would drive the price up or down. Are they invested to the point that they expect unjust compensation? Or are they so invested that they feel they need to deal him to get something for him before he walks for free next year?
bigK14094 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Why does Gruden not want him ? And why is the owner willing to go with that decision ? Remember when Vince Young came to town for the preseason.....he played ok until he lost discipline...........and threw a couple of picks into coverage. He was gone, then over the weekend. (It was Chan who cut him, I think) Same thing here with RG.....he wants to do it his way, not the coaches....maybe because he is headstrong, or maybe he lacks the skills , don't know, don't care. We don't need a head case QB here.....
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 The only thing I could rationalize would be that both Washington and Buffalo think the same things about the QB's. Haven't lived up to potential yet, but due to difficult circumstances on the current team, they could benefit from a change in scenery. However, I do not know if Washington's investment in RG3 would drive the price up or down. Are they invested to the point that they expect unjust compensation? Or are they so invested that they feel they need to deal him to get something for him before he walks for free next year? Good point. One difference ... RGIII wants to play "his" way (and if what I hear every day on DC radio is true) and not the way coaches want him to. I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard that about EJ - an unwillingness to learn.
Franchiseneedsme Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 I don't think Manuel has to be part of the deal. I hope Mariota falls to 5, the skins draft him, we offer a 3rd straight up for him. He could be dynamic. if we draft a starter on the online with the 2nd rounder, we would be a decent qb away from a full roster. Get this done!!!!
metzelaars_lives Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Then why do you keep repeating that RG had the best rookie season in history? Just because numbers are inflated doesn't mean when people have great seasons, they're not still great seasons. Would Aaron Rodgers put up 40+ TD's with like 5 INT's in 1986? No. Are his numbers still very impressive and is he a great QB regardless of era? Of course. All you can do is go relative to era and in 2012, RGIII was one of the best QB's in the whole league. He won the freaking rookie of the year over Andrew Luck. Trust me, he was really good that year. Edited March 23, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Good point. One difference ... RGIII wants to play "his" way (and if what I hear every day on DC radio is true) and not the way coaches want him to. I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard that about EJ - an unwillingness to learn. I think "his" way fits pretty well with the scheme Roman likes, so I think with their philosophies being closer that issue diminishes. But, all things considered, I don't really feel different whether the competition is EJ/Tyrod/Cassel or RG3/Tyrod/Cassel. This hypothetical would be entirely about the cost of the trade. If it's EJ for RG3 straight up, or EJ and our 6th/7th for RG3 I'd take it personally because I believe the change in scenery could do both of them a lot of good, but anything more than that would be too much of a concession for what I see as a wash in the first place.
metzelaars_lives Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 I don't think Manuel has to be part of the deal. I hope Mariota falls to 5, the skins draft him, we offer a 3rd straight up for him. He could be dynamic. if we draft a starter on the online with the 2nd rounder, we would be a decent qb away from a full roster. Get this done!!!! Ha very funny.
Bill in DC Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Good point. One difference ... RGIII wants to play "his" way (and if what I hear every day on DC radio is true) and not the way coaches want him to. I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard that about EJ - an unwillingness to learn. This ^^^^^ I am in the DC area and this is spot on. This has been a coach killer. RGIII thinks he is better than what he is. He is no longer what he use to be in his first year in the league, especially physically. Watching Mike Shanahan with RGIII was a circus. Keeping RGIII in a playoff game with him hurt was crazy to watch on tv as it unfolded. Change of scenery is NOT going to change RGIII. The Redskins are trying to get what they can from all the picks they gave up to get RGIII. It is that simple.
A Dog Named Kelso Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Because there new coach Gruden does not want him. He has a offense that he likes and he does not think RG3 fits what he is trying to do. So he is going to get moved This should not be a debate about if Manuel is better than RG III. It should only be about RG III, lets not forget two offensive coaches have now deemed him as not being worth it(Gruden and Shanahan). My problem with saying good coaching will fix any issues he has is that alone. How can one look at his RG III and not wonder what the real issue is when those two coaches chose to play inferior talent.
FireChan Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Good point. One difference ... RGIII wants to play "his" way (and if what I hear every day on DC radio is true) and not the way coaches want him to. I may be wrong, but I don't think I have heard that about EJ - an unwillingness to learn. If Buffalo sports radio is any indication, I wouldn't put much credence on what DC radio says.
Rivermont Mike Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 it's really not that difficult. It's MANUEL, not MANUAL When the light bulb comes on for EJ this season because there's an innovative O in place, and he takes the Bills to the playoffs, all these guys will be spelling his name correctly. Guaranteed.
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Let's wait and see EJ2.0 before we **** can him for RGIII.
Leroi Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Let's wait and see EJ2.0 before we **** can him for RGIII. What and See?? Your post portrays as being really, really patient or just ignorant. We know what we have in KneEJ, we have seen his full potential. Imo
Gugny Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 What and See?? Your post portrays as being really, really patient or just ignorant. We know what we have in KneEJ, we have seen his full potential. Imo Leroi, see if your crystal ball looks into the past a little better than it looks into the future. Then pick, who you believe are, the five best QBs in the history of the NFL. Then look at their stats for their first 14 games. Then wonder to yourself, "gee, I guess it's a good thing for those guys that their teams were really patient or just ignorant."
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 The emotional spin is so out of control on this board... Rg3 had a great rookie year statistically amongst the history of the NFL. You know who else did? EJ manual. Look it up. At this point there are pros and cons to both that come closer to washing even than most will admit. The contrast: Incredibly athletically talented, with more isolated success (amongst equivalent failure), more injuries and an ego problem, vs a locker room saint with a much better prototypical build, but accuracy/timing issues, and a history of Knee problems. Both have questionable ability to read defenses. There is no way either is an "obvious" upgrade over the other. This is one of the most debatable topics on board and easy odds are both will be out of the league in a few years.
MDH Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 What and See?? Your post portrays as being really, really patient or just ignorant. We know what we have in KneEJ, we have seen his full potential. Imo The funny thing part is you don't even realize how ridiculous your post is. Criticizing a poster for suggesting the Bills shouldn't be too quick to rid themsevles EJ for a player like RG3 while mocking EJ for his knee injury. Yeah, cause RG3's knees are juuuuuuuuust fine.
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