Leroi Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Would be an upgrade to KneEJ for sure. Some things just can't be taught, I.e. Slow eyes, Intelligence, fragile limbs. Then we have the little things that are easily improved but he is just not grasping the techniques, I.e. Footwork, accuracy. We have seen KneEJs full potential. There is no need to waste more time and Sacrifice another season. The time is now and EJ is stale. Imo
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Would be an upgrade to KneEJ for sure. Some things just can't be taught, I.e. Slow eyes, Intelligence, fragile limbs. Then we have the little things that are easily improved but he is just not grasping the techniques, I.e. Footwork, accuracy. We have seen KneEJs full potential. There is no need to waste more time and Sacrifice another season. The time is now and EJ is stale. Imo Your posts have jumped the shark. Should have left on a high note. The KneeJ "jokes" are elementary school. Imo
thebandit27 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Would be an upgrade to KneEJ for sure. Some things just can't be taught, I.e. Slow eyes, Intelligence, fragile limbs. Then we have the little things that are easily improved but he is just not grasping the techniques, I.e. Footwork, accuracy. We have seen KneEJs full potential. There is no need to waste more time and Sacrifice another season. The time is now and EJ is stale. Imo Questioning EJ's intelligence? Really?
Leroi Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Questioning EJ's intelligence? Really? I am not questioning. I know EJ is not a genius. Imo
Bangarang Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) It's pretty much the same as every team that has an unproven young qb. Except you've alrrady labelled EJ a bust and just assume every other young qb will be better.Not really. It's the cold hard reality. The amount of teams any of our QBs would start for is probably a low number. It has nothing to do with having a young QB either. I'd gladly take Bridgewater and Carr over EJ everyday as I'm sure so would many others. Edited March 24, 2015 by Bangarang
BackInDaDay Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) i think we should be looking at his linemen i saw him play on tv and i've been looking at his internet highlight reels.. didn't see him have to make a play under duress.. i'd like to know how he plays when he doesn't have a clean pocket and the time to toss a high arching pass to a receiver who has beaten his man by several steps. it sure is a pretty pass though.. pours it in right over the shoulder.. just gotta wonder if, and how fast, he can fire it with angry men in his face.. i see a sharp shooter - and sharp shooters don't go early, gunslingers do. Edited March 24, 2015 by BackInDaDay
FireChan Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Your posts have jumped the shark. Should have left on a high note. The KneeJ "jokes" are elementary school. Imo Did you tap in for today?
Kirby Jackson Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Not really. It's the cold hard reality. The amount of teams any of our QBs would start for is probably a low number. It has nothing to do with having a young QB either. I'd gladly take Bridgewater and Carr over EJ everyday as I'm sure so would many others. Realistically, I think that the Bills QB situation is on par with the Browns, Texans & Jets. I am not and have never been a Bortles fan but maybe he will prove me wrong. Other than that there probably isn't a team in the league that you can make a case for. With that being said they won 9 games last year and resigned Hughes, added Clay & 5 former Pro Bowlers.
dave mcbride Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Didn't you also like Johnny Football? How is that looking? For guys at Texas A & M and Baylor, the star player is the offenses they play in. Wide open throws to their first read to very good skill players. The qb is interchangeable. Petty is JAG IMO. He's more mature because he's closer to the coaches' ages than a rookie's. I thought Manziel was a productive college qb who led his team to victories against very tough competition. But i must say that it's a little rich for someone to criticize manziel for sucking after playing in 2 games whilst lamabasting every manuel critic here by trotting out the "he's a young qb who hasn't been given a chance!" argument. Word to the wise: follow your own advice and refrain from saying manziel sucks until he's been in the league a little while. There's a strong chance you'll be proven correct, but to jump on him now is simply hypocritical. As for baylor, the last qb who came out of there put up one of the greatest rookie seasons in nfl history. But since he's played 3 seasons instead of 2 (like manuel, i guess it's time to shut the book on him. My views on manuel are based on what my eyes see. I want him to succeed, actually. I don't see it at this point however.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I thought Manziel was a productive college qb who led his team to victories against very tough competition. But i must say that it's a little rich for someone to criticize manziel for sucking after playing in 2 games whilst lamabasting every manuel critic here by trotting out the "he's a young qb who hasn't been given a chance!" argument. Word to the wise: follow your own advice and refrain from saying manziel sucks until he's been in the league a little while. There's a strong chance you'll be proven correct, but to jump on him now is simply hypocritical. As for baylor, the last qb who came out of there put up one of the greatest rookie seasons in nfl history. But since he's played 3 seasons instead of 2 (like manuel, i guess it's time to shut the book on him. My views on manuel are based on what my eyes see. I want him to succeed, actually. I don't see it at this point however. You missed the point Dave. I think Manziel is not going to be a good qb for a number of reasons (he's a d bag, played on loaded offensive teams, & is basically like a much less talented and smaller Vick). That said, he should be given every opportunity to start this year. Only dumb teams like the Bills last year, start a passed around journeyman over a young qb with talent. My point with Manziel is that I didn't like that he came from a system that makes Qbs stars. Case Keenum set the ncaa passing record in the same system. You point to RG3 (who I definitely haven't given up on and he has more talent in his middle finger than Manziel or Petty) as a Baylor qb who succeed in the NFL. Rg3 had world class speed and was a home run threat when he ran. Petty doesn't have close to that. When RG3 is forced to pass from the pocket, he struggled mightily. And he was every bit as accurate as Petty was in college. Every new college qb is shiny and exciting. Odds are, they will fail at the NFL level. In my opinion, the real stars if Baylor and Texas A & M are Sumlin and Briles. The qb is completely replaceable in their offenses. JMO.
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I am not questioning. I know EJ is not a genius. Imo If "not a genius" is the criteria for not having intelligence, then zero QBs in the NFL are intelligent. EJ's intelligence is just fine. His problems lie in his lower-body mechanics and his propensity to speed through his progression too quickly.
dave mcbride Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 You missed the point Dave. I think Manziel is not going to be a good qb for a number of reasons (he's a d bag, played on loaded offensive teams, & is basically like a much less talented and smaller Vick). That said, he should be given every opportunity to start this year. Only dumb teams like the Bills last year, start a passed around journeyman over a young qb with talent. My point with Manziel is that I didn't like that he came from a system that makes Qbs stars. Case Keenum set the ncaa passing record in the same system. You point to RG3 (who I definitely haven't given up on and he has more talent in his middle finger than Manziel or Petty) as a Baylor qb who succeed in the NFL. Rg3 had world class speed and was a home run threat when he ran. Petty doesn't have close to that. When RG3 is forced to pass from the pocket, he struggled mightily. And he was every bit as accurate as Petty was in college. Every new college qb is shiny and exciting. Odds are, they will fail at the NFL level. In my opinion, the real stars if Baylor and Texas A & M are Sumlin and Briles. The qb is completely replaceable in their offenses. JMO. Fair points. I'm not willing to close the book on RG III, for what it's worth. I think he's arrogant and entitled, but he's had a major comeuppance these last 2 years and maybe he'll come out of it more humble and serious about his craft. it's up to him.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 You missed the point Dave. I think Manziel is not going to be a good qb for a number of reasons (he's a d bag, played on loaded offensive teams, & is basically like a much less talented and smaller Vick). That said, he should be given every opportunity to start this year. Only dumb teams like the Bills last year, start a passed around journeyman over a young qb with talent. My point with Manziel is that I didn't like that he came from a system that makes Qbs stars. Case Keenum set the ncaa passing record in the same system. You point to RG3 (who I definitely haven't given up on and he has more talent in his middle finger than Manziel or Petty) as a Baylor qb who succeed in the NFL. Rg3 had world class speed and was a home run threat when he ran. Petty doesn't have close to that. When RG3 is forced to pass from the pocket, he struggled mightily. And he was every bit as accurate as Petty was in college. Every new college qb is shiny and exciting. Odds are, they will fail at the NFL level. In my opinion, the real stars if Baylor and Texas A & M are Sumlin and Briles. The qb is completely replaceable in their offenses. JMO. This is crap! BS and baloney. Under this logic we should cut EJ because FSU is a system place and has never produced a star NFL QB. I didn't see the guys replacing Manziel this year doing what he did the previous 2 years at A&M. Oh and BTW, the Bills are not a dumb organization! That would be you running an NFL team. This post is hypocritical and BS.
metzelaars_lives Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I love how this site is full of people who say you can't possibly know anything about a QB who has been in the league for two years and others who are certain about a QB who hasn't gotten drafted yet. And in many cases, the same people are maintaining both of these stances.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Fair points. I'm not willing to close the book on RG III, for what it's worth. I think he's arrogant and entitled, but he's had a major comeuppance these last 2 years and maybe he'll come out of it more humble and serious about his craft. it's up to him. It will be interesting to see rg3 without snyder, it seems a lot of the attitude stems from/is condoned by/enhanced by danny boy.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Whaley and Rex would have to really love Petty, because they would have to cut EJ or Taylor pretty much immediately. It's possible, just not likely. I also think it's less than 50/50 chance he is there at 50.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It will be interesting to see rg3 without snyder, it seems a lot of the attitude stems from/is condoned by/enhanced by danny boy. Griffin does not have an attitude problem. That's a creation of the DC press. The problem he has is that he's still playing in DC, where the atmosphere for him has been poisoned by the Shanahans, his current coach, certain teammates who have a problem with his intelligence and failure to identify with lesser lights on the team, his relationship with Snyder (that Snyder has created), and the press. He needs a fresh start elsewhere.
billykaykay Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 First, the Bills need to draft players at positions of need in the early rounds of the draft. They need more depth at linebacker and an upgrade at guard. Quarterback is just not a position that they need to reach for in the draft. This is even more apparent from them signing of Cassel and Taylor. Even if they dropped Tuel, they still already have 3 guys that they have told will compete for the starting job. To me, it's a logic fallacy that now the front office would draft a quarterback early and essentially destroy any opportunity for the team to build chemistry. Second and more important is that Petty is projecting right now to be a 3rd-4th round pick value. Drafting Petty in the 2nd would essentially be a repeat of what the organization did with Manuel and completely unnecessary. Petty should be the 5th or 6th quarterback drafted this year and almost certainly a 3rd round pick or later. You want to bet . He goes before the 3rd round imo
Bookie Man Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Not impressed with Petty. Reminds me of Gabbert in some ways.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Not impressed with Petty. Reminds me of Gabbert in some ways. Ha. Never seen Bryce . Yeah same pocket toughness. Get real.
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