BuffaloFan68 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Bryce Petty is one of the smartest QBs in this years draft but I prefer project Sean Mannion (better size & physical attributes needed for Buffalo).
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather pick a project in the second this year, then reach for a project in the first next year. Thank you for sharing this false choice.
FireChan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Thank you for sharing this false choice. You don't see it being distinctly possible to need to draft a QB next year in the first round? Really?
Bangarang Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yes. Really. With our first pick? When we haven't yet addressed the O-line, when we have to start considering life after Kyle, when Dareus could be due a Brinks truck, when we still have opportunities for a rookie to come in and contribute to the defensive secondary, the Bills would be completely !@#$ing nuts to spend the #50 pick on a QB who won't catch a glimpse of action until 2017, at the earliest. Whaley should stay true to his board. If he has Petty ranked higher then he should take him. We're not in any position to pass up a QB. Granted, Petty will likely need a few years worth of development but I think the point still stands.
Andrew Son Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I don't see it this year, we are all in. Instant impact player at 50
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather pick a project in the second this year, then reach for a project in the first next year. We can't afford to take on a project with that high of a pick either year. To be clear about why I say he is a project and he shouldn't go before round 3, here's his draft profile compared to Andy Dalton's, a 2nd round QB. Bryce Petty Scouts concerned he could be product of Baylor's one-read system. Must learn to read defenses and get through his progressions when he joins the NFL. He needs a year or two of practice time and camp work to learn how to get through his progressions, but has the intelligence to do that. Petty must have a structured offense that won't ask him to make plays outside of the pocket. Andy Dalton Dalton is a well prepared player that scans the whole field and makes solid decisions. Has a quick release, a strong arm and is an accurate passer, especially on the run. Has great mobility in the pocket and shows very good instincts as a runner.
bonechiller Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 If they think he's worth #50 then by all means do it. Everyone complains we don't have a great QB, yet nobody wants to spend the assets it takes to acquire one. What's the point on taking a 7th round flyer when the odds of them becoming successful is WAY lower than a higher pick? 7th round flyers on Guards and TEs are much more likely to be successful than a QB. Everyone has their priorities backwards, but their whining always in order. Absolutely, I have already gone on here and said, move up if they have to, get who YOU want, who cares what value others put on him. I still don't think he will get out of first round. Believe me, I want EJ to be the man, I just don't know if the confidence is there that he will be. Keep drafting QB's until you have one, I don't see Buffalo having a top 5 pick very soon to get a top tier guy, and I don't care for all the cast off FAs. 6th and 7th round flyers got about a 1% chance. I am definitely no scout, but I have been watching football over 40 years, and I like this kid.
FireChan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 We can't afford to take on a project with that high of a pick either year. To be clear about why I say he is a project and he shouldn't go before round 3, here's his draft profile compared to Andy Dalton's, a 2nd round QB. Bryce Petty Andy Dalton It all depends on where he is on Whaley's board. I completely disagree that we can't afford to take a project with a second or a third this year. There is a dearth of talent this year. We have no QB, and could very likely still not have one by the 2016 draft. Rather than shackling ourselves to possibly being "forced" to take one in 2016, in which the overall draft talent will be higher than this years, it is more beneficial to use a decently high pick on a project in this draft. This draft will have guys with second round grades going in the first round. Every pick past 15 is devalued. It's the perfect situation of little risk.
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 You don't see it being distinctly possible to need to draft a QB next year in the first round? Really? I'd rather not take a project in the first round next year. But that's not a reason to take one in the second round this year. Which is, you know, what we're talking about. Whaley should stay true to his board. If he has Petty ranked higher then he should take him. We're not in any position to pass up a QB. Granted, Petty will likely need a few years worth of development but I think the point still stands. I can't imagine they have Petty as the 50th best player in the draft.
Bangarang Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather not take a project in the first round next year. But that's not a reason to take one in the second round this year. Which is, you know, what we're talking about. I can't imagine they have Petty as the 50th best player in the draft. I certainly hope they don't have him ranked that high. But if they do then QB is by far a greater need than o-line given the impact a decent one could have for this team.
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I certainly hope they don't have him ranked that high. But if they do then QB is by far a greater need than o-line given the impact a decent one could have for this team. I don't think it'll be positional specific. I think they're BPA, all the way. And now this http://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/578301494274871296 Gil_Brandt 4:06pm via TweetDeck Bryce Petty is like Jimmy Garappolo was last year, in terms of ability, not playing style. Not in top group but not far behind.
FireChan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I'd rather not take a project in the first round next year. But that's not a reason to take one in the second round this year. Which is, you know, what we're talking about. I can't imagine they have Petty as the 50th best player in the draft. Do you think it is pertinent to consider the future when deciding to draft somebody?
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Do you think it is pertinent to consider the future when deciding to draft somebody? Yes. But that has nothing to do with the false choice you've presented.
FireChan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yes. But that has nothing to do with the false choice you've presented. And I clarified my false choice with a "possibility" in my next post, because I didn't intend for the post to come off in an "either/or" situation. A little hostile today, are we?
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 And I clarified my false choice with a "possibility" in my next post, because I didn't intend for the post to come off in an "either/or" situation. A little hostile today, are we?
BetterNextYearRight? Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I like Petty a lot and I'm typically against post RD2 round QB's The Bills can afford a project or gamble in the 2nd, the whole point to this FA was to open up the draft to BPA. The whole thinking of "we don't have a first so we need to pick a def day 1 starter in RD2" is poor thinking. This team isnt built for a 1-2 year run, with where our contracts are we are built long term for this team to stick together. With the depth/continuity they can take risks. With the Bills being into the Marshall hunt and the Williams experiment last year I really think, for better or worse, that DW wants a big end zone WR. If Dorial Green-Beckham lasts until the Bills pick I think he is it. Not that I would agree with the pick.
Fan in Chicago Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I hear all of this, but I didn't make my comment in a hypothetical vacuum. I made it specifically about a project like Bryce Petty. So, theoretically you are not opposed to taking a QB with our first pick. Is that right ? Rarely is a QB drafted out of the top of the 1st round expected to start in his first season. He is going to be a project of some order even if picked in the 2nd round. If there is a high prospect, might as well pick him now. I keep thinking about the hypothetical of EJ flaming out and we sitting next year forced to do extreme measures to grab a QB who will undoubtedly come with huge expectations. A 2nd or 3rd rounder this year will have less of such pressure and have a bit more time to develop. ANd I am specifically not talking about any QB, just the concept of drafting one even with out first pick.
BackInDaDay Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 not impressed enough from the limited amount i've seen of him to warrant anything higher than a 4th.. maybe i'm wrong - and i really respect Mayock's opinions - but he doesn't seem to have a lotta zip on the ball.. at least nothing that made me take notice.. he does have a nice touch over the top of defenders.. looks like a project for someone who's got the time and a 3rd otr 4th to invest i'm actually getting excited about what Roman has in mind for EJ, Taylor and Tuel in our new offense.. it may not be as far from Briles system as some pro-Os - but i'd rather work something out for RG3, if we're going that route.. the good thing is, with the talent we've amassed, Roman can get as simple/sophisticated as he wants - depending on who's playing QB
billsfan89 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Team needs a guard in round 2. Tight end round 3. QB is what it is a rookie won't be much if at all better than EJ. The team needs to help out the O-line and the draft in round 2 is a good avenue
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 So, theoretically you are not opposed to taking a QB with our first pick. Is that right ? Rarely is a QB drafted out of the top of the 1st round expected to start in his first season. He is going to be a project of some order even if picked in the 2nd round. If there is a high prospect, might as well pick him now. I keep thinking about the hypothetical of EJ flaming out and we sitting next year forced to do extreme measures to grab a QB who will undoubtedly come with huge expectations. A 2nd or 3rd rounder this year will have less of such pressure and have a bit more time to develop. ANd I am specifically not talking about any QB, just the concept of drafting one even with out first pick. Given that we've had two FA QB acquisitions, then I'd only be okay with at no. 50 QB if he was their BPA.
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