BBills14 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Forgive me for starting a new thread around a similar topic, but with ALL the signings this offseason (Kyle Williams included) I just don't see how there is enough resource to go around to retaining Dareus next year. I'd rather NO Clay and NO extension to Kyle Williams to keep Mr. BIG Stuff. Thoughts?
NoSaint Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I think you are just saying "big numbers?!? Plus more big numbers?!? No way that could work!" instead of actually looking at the nuts and bolts of the situation
K D Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Pegula used to own the agency that reps Dareus. don't you think he has some "inside info" on the situation? i'm not worried about Dareus. i am worried about ever getting a franchise QB though. you have to sign Dareus and Gilmore and restructure and extend Mario. no money for a big franchise QB contract that's for sure. their plan is going to have to be to win without one for a long time or hope that someone on the roster turns into one
BBills14 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Posted March 18, 2015 I think you are just saying "big numbers?!? Plus more big numbers?!? No way that could work!" instead of actually looking at the nuts and bolts of the situation Thats exactly what I'm saying. If Dareus gets anything like Suh, it feels like he is as good as gone...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Pegula used to own the agency that reps Dareus. don't you think he has some "inside info" on the situation? i'm not worried about Dareus. i am worried about ever getting a franchise QB though. you have to sign Dareus and Gilmore and restructure and extend Mario. no money for a big franchise QB contract that's for sure. their plan is going to have to be to win without one for a long time or hope that someone on the roster turns into oneimo if it's not EJ, they need to draft one in Rd 1 next year. The stat I saw of the number of SB winning QBs that joined their team in FA is only something like 10. A bridge QB or vet backup is ok in FA but franchise QBs are drafted and developed. They tried with EJ, we will see what happens there, but if he doesn't show he's the guy this year then they try again next year. Thats exactly what I'm saying. If Dareus gets anything like Suh, it feels like he is as good as gone... i don't think Dareus will hit FA
Fingon Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Forgive me for starting a new thread around a similar topic, but with ALL the signings this offseason (Kyle Williams included) I just don't see how there is enough resource to go around to retaining Dareus next year. I'd rather NO Clay and NO extension to Kyle Williams to keep Mr. BIG Stuff. Thoughts? The Bills currently have $33 million in cap room (before Clay) next year, assuming the cap doesn't go up at all. We all know it's going up at least $10 million, with some claiming it could be as high as $160 million. This leaves the Bills with ample room to re-sign their own players, including Dareus. Especially since their commitments for the 2017 and beyond drop down to $80 million, which means they can minimize the cap hit next year and increase it in the following years with no problem. Dareus getting a Suh deal next year would actually help our chances of of retaining him because that would mean his cap hit would only be $6 million next year. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/07/cap-could-hit-160-million-in-2016/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2016/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2017/
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Thats exactly what I'm saying. If Dareus gets anything like Suh, it feels like he is as good as gone... I think that what NoSaint is saying is that isn't how it works. Contract structure is what matters not just contract numbers. The Bills will have no issues in getting Dareus signed to a mega deal.
Max997 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Thats exactly what I'm saying. If Dareus gets anything like Suh, it feels like he is as good as gone... Why does it feel like he is as good as gone? Dareus counts over 8 mil on this years cap so lets say his cap hit for 2016 is 16 mil that would only increase his cap hit another 8 mil which if needed could be freed up easily. Dareus is also the one player I think the Bills would use the Franchuse tag on so with all that plus the way the cap continues to rise do you still think he is as good as gone? Edited March 18, 2015 by Max997
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Dareus will be a Bill for life. Not on Rex's watch will you lose a top DL in his absolute prime. Edited March 18, 2015 by filthymcnasty08
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Dareus will be a Bill for life. Not on Rex's watch will you lose a top DL in his absolute prime.agreed. I think he will be extended in 2015.
NoSaint Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I think that what NoSaint is saying is that isn't how it works. Contract structure is what matters not just contract numbers. The Bills will have no issues in getting Dareus signed to a mega deal. thats a big part of my point. the other piece being that the cap has risen so damn fast the last decade that a lot of fans see 100m and think its CRAZY money to spend. truth is, its becoming much more commonplace. so a lot of fans hear numbers that used to be RIDICULOUS and dont take into account the value of the deal as a percentage of cap space or various options to structure the deal flexibly agreed. I think he will be extended in 2015. i still wouldnt be shocked if he is tagged as a final "prove it" to hold his rights with minimal risk through the 2016 offseason (as much as we love him, hes had some offseason adventures both legally, and the year he looked to come in out of shape), and he gets his big deal in July, or right at the close of the season.
BreezeMafia Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Pegula used to own the agency that reps Dareus. don't you think he has some "inside info" on the situation? i'm not worried about Dareus. i am worried about ever getting a franchise QB though. you have to sign Dareus and Gilmore and restructure and extend Mario. no money for a big franchise QB contract that's for sure. their plan is going to have to be to win without one for a long time or hope that someone on the roster turns into one Agreed. To that end, I am interetsed to see EJ without the two knuckleheads - Marrone and Hackett.
kota Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I like Suh and Dareus but they aren't worth QB money. Miami made a big mistake. Edited March 18, 2015 by kota
Magox Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 We'll have enough room to do what we need to do to retain our players next year. Having said that, the $50 M (pre Clay, probably closer to $40M now including the projected increase in cap) that is available next year is a bit misleading though. That doesn't take into account Dareus, Gilmore, Cordy Glenn, Bradham and possibly Harvin. And there are others as well, and just these five alone will receive contracts totaling an aggregate amount of around $50M per year. But as some others have suggested, a lot of it depends on how you structure the contracts, but make no bones about it, if we retain (which I would certainly hope we would) all these players they will take up the lions share of what is available next year.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Forgive me for starting a new thread around a similar topic, but with ALL the signings this offseason (Kyle Williams included) I just don't see how there is enough resource to go around to retaining Dareus next year. I'd rather NO Clay and NO extension to Kyle Williams to keep Mr. BIG Stuff. Thoughts? My thoughts are that its a bit ridiculous for fans to worry about something that none of us can come close to fully understanding (the inner working of the salary cap). From what the new Bills have shown so far, it seems like they have an overall plan on how to sign and structure guys. I think Overdorff being hampered by Ralph's... frugality for years gives him good insight on how to keep the team safe, while now having Pegula's checkbook gives him the room to really make the deals he needs to. Beyond that, we are getting into details and numbers which are impossible for fans to truly know, so there is not a lot of sense worrying about it. From looking at data that is accessible, the rough numbers, we should be in a decent position to re-sign our guys without putting the team in a bad spot down the line. We'll have enough room to do what we need to do to retain our players next year. Having said that, the $50 M (pre Clay, probably closer to $40M now including the projected increase in cap) that is available next year is a bit misleading though. That doesn't take into account Dareus, Gilmore, Cordy Glenn, Bradham and possibly Harvin. And there are others as well, and just these five alone will receive contracts totaling an aggregate amount of around $50M per year. But as some others have suggested, a lot of it depends on how you structure the contracts, but make no bones about it, if we retain (which I would certainly hope we would) all these players they will take up the lions share of what is available next year. For sure. We are set to have a lot of cap space next year, but that's because we are also set to have a lot of FAs. 25 total, and some pretty big names in there.
Big C Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Dareus will be a Bill for life. Not on Rex's watch will you lose a top DL in his absolute prime. Agreed. I'm betting it won't cost Duh money either.
NoSaint Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Agreed. I'm betting it won't cost Duh money either. itll be pretty darn close. mccoy and suh set the market pretty strongly for dareus.
johnwalter Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 if he doesnt sign before FA breaks, he will be f-tagged.
Webster Guy Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Pegula used to own the agency that reps Dareus. don't you think he has some "inside info" on the situation? i'm not worried about Dareus. i am worried about ever getting a franchise QB though. you have to sign Dareus and Gilmore and restructure and extend Mario. no money for a big franchise QB contract that's for sure. their plan is going to have to be to win without one for a long time or hope that someone on the roster turns into one Sadly, the chances of any team letting their franchise qb hit the open market is pretty much zero. There are less than a dozen in the world, and everyone knows its the key to a championship. All we can do it hope we find one in the draft.
RCOHEN13 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Forgive me for starting a new thread around a similar topic, but with ALL the signings this offseason (Kyle Williams included) I just don't see how there is enough resource to go around to retaining Dareus next year. I'd rather NO Clay and NO extension to Kyle Williams to keep Mr. BIG Stuff. Thoughts? I got RIPPED for starting a thread about re-signing Hughes potentially hurting chances of extending Dareus next yr! With Clay contract its gonna be even harder. My point was, re-signing Hughes was not a mistake. BUT... considering the style of D Rex will employ, Hughes be will on field less than last yr and is typically a position for a LB who can rush the passer yet still be effective in coverage, which Lawson was solid in Pettine's (Rex D) 2 yrs ago. They split times depending on situation. With looking at how Bills offseason was going, it was blatant they will continue spending money and at time, i didnt think Harvin would be a target but hes only on 1 yr rental deal anyway. Clay's contract is huge, and i dont think we are done. I have a feeling we will sign another vet OL either via a later team cut, or someone who's still out there. We do have alot of space for "other" positions cuz Whaley is very correct is saying its easiest to spend when u dont have like 20 mil tied up in a QB, AND as others have pointed out in other threads, our #1 WR is just in his 2nd yr and wont require huge contract for few yrs... With FO's these days, and ours seems to not be a minor league one anymore and cap going up every yr, Dareus will surely get Suh type money and we MUST not even considering letting him go. He's more key to this DL than anyone, even Mario...
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