NeverOutNick Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Clay has consistently been a match up nightmare for us and other teams...not our problem anymore but a luxury we can afford. Franchise qb next year and we'll be set... Hope Cassel can hold the fort til then Edited March 18, 2015 by NeverOutNick
Max997 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Where does Charles Clay rank? I love the fact that our owners have directed management to do whatever it takes to makes the Bills a contender again, but when I look at the offer for Charles Clay (5yr 38M with 20M of that guaranteed). Just to put things in perspective, Julius Thomas signed a 5yr 46M (with 24M guaranteed). I appreciate the fact that Clay will be a good fit for the system that Rex wants to implement, but I scratch my head wondering if we might be mortgaging our future on a guy who probably isn't even a top 10 tight end in the league today. I get that he blocks, can line up a number of places, and has good hands etc...but he aint no 8M a year TE. If you are going to compare Clay vs Julius Thomas then you have to consider all of the facts. Julius Thomas played with Peyton Manning in a pass happy offense and rarely faced more then single coverage. Clay played with Tannehill in an offense with nowhere near the same talent. How is signing anyone to a 5 year 38 mil contract anywhere close to mortgaging the future? The cap is 143 mil and continues to rise at a fast pace. Edited March 18, 2015 by Max997
Chuck Wagon Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Julius may be the most overrated guy in the entire league, a guy who can't block or stay healthy is not the third best TE in the league.
Max997 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Julius may be the most overrated guy in the entire league, a guy who can't block or stay healthy is not the third best TE in the league. I agree and think Julius ends up as the free agent bust for this year. Peyton can make just about any TE look good.
NewEra Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Clay>>>>>>> Julius. Clay is a TE that can play FB and WR. Thomas is a WR that can't play TE or FB
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 What you have to take into consideration is how the TE will actually be USED in a offense when determining value of the TE (I frankly dont care how they are ranked because often players are not used to their max strengths) Clay is Romans new Vernon Davis....... - He blocks - He can bust the seem - He makes big catches - He is a mismatch on the field - Taking him directly hurts a AFC East rival......and we need to win the East to make the playoffs He is right for us.....
Andy1 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 The other thing to keep in mind is that Clay is entering the prime of his career. The Bills will get his best years of production and he fits their offense. See his plays on Utube - he is matchup problem for defenses.
217014170 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) What you have to take into consideration is how the TE will actually be USED in a offense when determining value of the TE (I frankly dont care how they are ranked because often players are not used to their max strengths) Clay is Romans new Vernon Davis....... - He blocks - He can bust the seem - He makes big catches - He is a mismatch on the field - Taking him directly hurts a AFC East rival......and we need to win the East to make the playoffs He is right for us..... I agree with everything except the comparison to Vernon Davis. Comparing Clay to Davis is an insult to Clay. Clay is a self made 6th round pick from the Univ. of Tulsa. The nicest thing Roman could say about Davis last year was how great his blocking was. Davis had his worst year statistically (to be fair, he was hurt as well) in 2014 and Roman was basically using him as a decoy and a blocker. Let's hope Roman does not forget to use Clay. He is not supposed to be good...because he is not stage diving or trying to be a WR to get more cash...and is often forgotten when people publish "rankings". You don;t hear anything about Charles Clay except on game day. That's a good thing. He is right for the Bills...for sure. And his financial hit will basically be for this year. I love the fact that the team is fully utilizing the cap and sometimes you have to seemingly overpay to get a guy to move from South Florida to Frozen Tundra East. Edited March 18, 2015 by 217014170
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) 1. Rob Gronkowski 2. Greg Olsen 3. Jimmy Graham 4. Antonio Gates 5. Martellus Bennett 6. Jason Witten 7. Charles Clay 8. Julius Thomas 9. Vernon Davis I truly think Greg Olsen is the most underrated, and most underappreciated player in the NFL. Not just TE, but player because he does so much for that offense, it's ridiculous. He's one of the best overall, TE in the NFL in my opinion. Edited March 18, 2015 by QuoteTheRaven83
El Presidente Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 I think it's great that people are complaining that the Bills are spending too much!!!! What a concept!!! This. I have never seen an off season like this...EVER. This is a new team. We can worry about management blowing cash?? If this is why they raised ticket prices can I pay extra? We are all going to get more product on the field for our ticket price than ever before...
r00tabaga Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Top ten. If he had Brady, Brees or Manning as QB his numbers would be as good as Graham, Gronk & Julius. The main thing is he's gonna be dangerous in our offense and that's all I care.
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