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Where does Charles Clay rank?

 

 

I love the fact that our owners have directed management to do whatever it takes to makes the Bills a contender again, but when I look at the offer for Charles Clay (5yr 38M with 20M of that guaranteed).

Just to put things in perspective, Julius Thomas signed a 5yr 46M (with 24M guaranteed).

 

I appreciate the fact that Clay will be a good fit for the system that Rex wants to implement, but I scratch my head wondering if we might be mortgaging our future on a guy who probably isn't even a top 10 tight end in the league today. I get that he blocks, can line up a number of places, and has good hands etc...but he aint no 8M a year TE.

 

I think a more conservative and better approach would have been to sign a guy like Jermain Gresham. He can probably do everything we need from Clay and comes in at a fraction of the cost.

 

Is Clay even a top 10 TE, because he'll sure as hell be paid like one if the Phins don't match (God i hope they do)

 

Where does he fit?

 

Gronk

Graham

Julius Thomas

Martellus Bennet

Greg Olsen

Vernon Davis

Antonio Gates

Jason Witten

Kyle Rudolph

Fleener

Jordan Cameron

Dwayne Allen

Dennis Pitta

Larry Donnel

Zach Ertz

Travis Kelce

 

 

If Clay is on the list, he's definitely near the bottom end. He's not worth the money and we will pay for this in the long run. What are your thoughts on where he fits in that list?

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I don't think you're taking into consideration what kind of offense they plan to run. As far as stats, no he isn't top 10 but he has a unique skill set that not many TE's have

Edited by CNY315
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More conservative to sign Greshem?? I suppose if we want him to wave a towel on the sidelines in street clothes, sure. He may not be ready after BACK SURGERY

 

I just read about the back surgery, i take that back LOL..

 

Not worth the money? He isn't costing the Bills that much...

 

8M a year for a TE that isn't top 10.. i woulda brought back Chandler and taken someone in the draft.

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I just read about the back surgery, i take that back LOL..

 

 

 

8M a year for a TE that isn't top 10.. i woulda brought back Chandler and taken someone in the draft.

The Bills have the Cap space. It's a well thought out deal structure wisely. Would you rather them not spend the money they have and just sign a lesser player to save a penny?

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Who cares?

 

As long as we get who the FO wants, I dont care. In Doug I trust. In Pegula I trust.

 

 

(and by the way, its "TEs" and not "TE's." There is no apostrophe in correct English to make something plural.

 

Even the Oakland A's, when going for their trademark, debated heavily about registering something grammatically incorrect, but decided that "A's" had become their brand instead of "As," like it or not. Methinks it has something to do with the difference between American and English. Because the apostrophe can properly be used to take the place of missing letters, and "Athletics" does end in an "s," or something).

 

https://thegrammarvandal.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/apostrophe-for-the-oakland-as/

 

 

 

Now that we have Clay, I think we're pretty much done here.

Edited by maddenboy
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Didn't Whaley say Clay is "special"?

 

I haven't watched Miami that closely but I don't recall a TE so special that he deserves $38 million. What am I missing?

The Playoffs and SuperBowl.

 

Buckle up you chin strap... we're going back to The Game!

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As a casual fan of other team's players and not confident about my own scouting abilities, I can understand why there are many people who look at Clay's stats and wonder why there is so much interest in him.

 

I remember doing the same thing when the Pats signed Welker and again when the Seahawks aquired Harvin. Both players had been less than impressive statistically, but were being uniformly spoken about as if they had upper echelon talent.

 

Clay seems to be another one of these statistically hidden stars. A player who was considered to be in the top 100 players in the league by his peers and who is resoundingly rated as a top talent......but doesn't have the stats to back it up. Time will of course tell, but for now I am more than happy to go along with the experts' opinion of Clay.

Edited by Dibs
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I had posted this in another thread: According to PFF metrics, Clay ranked 14th overall among tight ends, 9th in pass receiving, and 11th in run blocking. For reference, Julius Thomas was 13th, 10th, and 33rd respectively and Scott Chandler was 47th, 63rd, and 40th respectively

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I think it's great that people are complaining that the Bills are spending too much!!!! What a concept!!!

Pegula is a spendthrift!
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I think it's great that people are complaining that the Bills are spending too much!!!! What a concept!!!

 

We have before: Dockery, Langston Walker, Chris Williams, Chris Kelsay, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc.

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