RuntheDamnBall Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If Clay is the versatile piece they want for the offense, I think the money is justified. It's a bit steep, but justified. Now, here is one issue. They really, really need to draft and possibly sign a depth TE who is in Clay's mould, even if he's not as good. Injuries are too frequent in the NFL and the team needs to be prepared for that scenario. On the plus side, I do like what I've seen of Gray thus far -- I think he could be an underrated pickup -- and maybe they think he and Gragg can cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If Clay is the versatile piece they want for the offense, I think the money is justified. It's a bit steep, but justified. Now, here is one issue. They really, really need to draft and possibly sign a depth TE who is in Clay's mould, even if he's not as good. Injuries are too frequent in the NFL and the team needs to be prepared for that scenario. On the plus side, I do like what I've seen of Gray thus far -- I think he could be an underrated pickup -- and maybe they think he and Gragg can cut it. i see Gray as Clay's backup. I think they need to replace Lee Smith though with a blocking TE in the draft, maybe 5th rd. Heurmann from OSU should be there and would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If Clay is the versatile piece they want for the offense, I think the money is justified. It's a bit steep, but justified. Now, here is one issue. They really, really need to draft and possibly sign a depth TE who is in Clay's mould, even if he's not as good. Injuries are too frequent in the NFL and the team needs to be prepared for that scenario. On the plus side, I do like what I've seen of Gray thus far -- I think he could be an underrated pickup -- and maybe they think he and Gragg can cut it. Gray is the kind of player but I don't think anyone knows if he can be any good. He made two nice plays last year when no one covered him. I doubt right now that he could be counted on to do it. Gragg has some potential as that kind of player. His blocking his improved a bit but he hasn't shown much. I would not doubt at all if we draft a TE in the second or third round. Depends on what we do on the OL before the draft I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought I remembered Gragg grading really well on blocking during the preseason.... or am I going insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Challenge will be, do we have a QB that can recognize who is going to be open? Good point, and be able to throw to him accurately if he's more that 20 down field. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought I remembered Gragg grading really well on blocking during the preseason.... or am I going insane? Probably both, although preseason means nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Good point, and be able to throw to him accurately if he's more that 20 down field. Go Bills I think Cassel is best suited for this. This is exactly what EJ has been awful at this whole time. Recognizing the op en guy quickly and getting him the ball.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 @OmarKelly: I said this 2 weeks ago & I stand by it now. I'd rather have the $7M back than Charles Clay. No shade to Clay. Love him like a play cousin wtf is a " play cousin" - guess I'm behind on the lingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 @OmarKelly: I said this 2 weeks ago & I stand by it now. I'd rather have the $7M back than Charles Clay. No shade to Clay. Love him like a play cousin wtf is a " play cousin" - guess I'm behind on the lingo Omar--in the last two weeks -- you have taken every possible position on this issue....Jesus -- you are my stupid cousin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Well, the modus operandi of Whaley overpaying market value for players he covets has proven to be a consistent pattern. Huge risk/reward philosophy... hit it big you're in the penthouse popping champagne; miss and you're in the shlt house crying in your beer. Whaley's a true riverboat gambler. A thrill-seeker gunning for the hottest commodity cost be damned. I'm personally much more conservative than that, so I cringe when I see what appears on the surface to be reckless decisioning. Sure hope lady luck is with him on this deal. I think Clay is going to be great, but I fear, as always, unless he has 10 td's and 1000 yards, some will insist we overpaid for him. I think there is a good chance he won't become the Pegula Bills answer to the Pegula Sabres Ville Lleino.... Edited March 18, 2015 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Here we go...Air Pegula on the move! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/XSR960 Edited March 18, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think Clay is going to be great, but I fear, as always, unless he has 10 td's and 1000 yards, some will insist we overpaid for him. I think there is a good chance he won't become the Peguala Bills answer to the Pegula Sabres Ville Lleino.... people finally came around to mario, and sammy gets a lot of credit already.... we will see. JTSP will never like him though. atleast not until we release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Here we go...Air Pegula on the move! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/XSR90 Ha - love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think Clay is going to be great, but I fear, as always, unless he has 10 td's and 1000 yards, some will insist we overpaid for him. I don't really fear that. Without Clay's contract, the people who would say that would find something else to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Here we go...Air Pegula on the move! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/XSR960 Classic! Had a good laugh at that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The overpaying concept is IMO out of context. Apart from kickers/punters, the TE position has the smallest negative effect if one overpays. The same week that Miami had to suck up $6.6M in dead money after paying $20.5M over the last 2 seasons for a useless Mike Wallace, people are knocking the Bills for overpaying Clay by $0.55M. Rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 People expecting huge numbers put up by Clay are probably going to be disappointed. Nor will his numbers prove whether or not he is worth it or not. You don't pay a guy 7-8 mil a year cap hit to be a decoy. His numbers absolutely will prove his worth. Anything less than 60 catches a year, 650 yards and 6 TD's will be a disappointment. I don't think these are ridiculous expectations. If they are lower, then DW and RR are not on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 @OmarKelly: I said this 2 weeks ago & I stand by it now. I'd rather have the $7M back than Charles Clay. No shade to Clay. Love him like a play cousin wtf is a " play cousin" - guess I'm behind on the lingo someone you can put in a bunch of make believe stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You don't pay a guy 7-8 mil a year cap hit to be a decoy. His numbers absolutely will prove his worth. Anything less than 60 catches a year, 650 yards and 6 TD's will be a disappointment. I don't think these are ridiculous expectations. If they are lower, then DW and RR are not on the same page. So based on Mario Williams salary, what should his stats be? 100 tackles, 25 sacks, 10 forced fumbles 5 INTs....he should also probably play on offense considering the money he's making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You don't pay a guy 7-8 mil a year cap hit to be a decoy. His numbers absolutely will prove his worth. Anything less than 60 catches a year, 650 yards and 6 TD's will be a disappointment. I don't think these are ridiculous expectations. If they are lower, then DW and RR are not on the same page. Untrue, IMO. And it's not to be a decoy. It's to be a weapon, a blocker on sweeps, to disguise whether we are going to run or pass by going in motion out of the backfield or on the wing as an HBack, to catch balls down the seams, to be a FB on some plays, to run out of the backfield, to pass protect, etc. The only reason he is not going to be putting up huge numbers is because we have five legit weapons, not two or three or four like every other team, and we are going to spread the ball around. He's extremely versatile and the kind of player that Roman loves to use 6-7 different ways. That's where his value is, not as a common TE. He's not the best TE in the league but he's the best that kind of TE in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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