Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yolo, as we suspected, Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins today. I suppose that is a teeny sign they will not be matching.
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yolo, as we suspected, Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins today. I suppose that is a teeny sign they will not be matching.lol
yungmack Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Well, the modus operandi of Whaley overpaying market value for players he covets has proven to be a consistent pattern. Huge risk/reward philosophy... hit it big you're in the penthouse popping champagne; miss and you're in the shlt house crying in your beer. Whaley's a true riverboat gambler. A thrill-seeker gunning for the hottest commodity cost be damned. I'm personally much more conservative than that, so I cringe when I see what appears on the surface to be reckless decisioning. Sure hope lady luck is with him on this deal. I'm scratching my head and trying to recall the players Whaley has overpaid in this,his second FA and draft season and for the life of me, I can't think of one. Brandon Spikes? Chris Williams? There have to be at least several of them for it to be regarded as a "modus operandi," don't you agree? I need a little help here, Negativo. Give me the names of these over payed fat cats please.
Peter Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yolo, as we suspected, Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins today. I suppose that is a teeny sign they will not be matching. If they thought Mike Wallace was a prima donna . . . .
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Bills offense is going to be "sum is greater than its parts"...we have players that have to be accounted for all over the place...somewhere, someone is going to be open, there is no possible way to cover all these threats...
Dorkington Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Bills offense is going to be "sum is greater than its parts"...we have players that have to be accounted for all over the place...somewhere, someone is going to be open, there is no possible way to cover all these threats... Challenge will be, do we have a QB that can recognize who is going to be open?
JoeF Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) People expecting huge numbers put up by Clay are probably going to be disappointed. Nor will his numbers prove whether or not he is worth it or not. Things we will hear from Murph and Kelso this fall.. Murph: Hand off to McCoy---cut back to the edge, nice seal block by Clay--Shady's at the 40 the 50 the 40 into the secondary brought down after a 32 yard run.. Murph: Taylor fakes the handoff and drops, scans the field, Sammy open at the right side line at the 20 the 15 the 10 -- Touchdown. Mark--he was wide open Kelso: Murph--the Cowboys couldn't figure out who to cover -- its the pick your poison offense--and that play they stacked for the run -- a lb and SS went with Clay; they also doubled Harvin leaving Sammy one on one..... No "Stats" for Clay on either play---but he was key in making both happen.. Edited March 18, 2015 by Formerly Joe F
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Bills offense is going to be "sum is greater than its parts"...we have players that have to be accounted for all over the place...somewhere, someone is going to be open, there is no possible way to cover all these threats... Exactly. It's the same thing, really, as the Bills DL. Teams cannot afford to double team everyone, therefore they double the best of the best, Mario, and it opens up the single teams of Hughes, and often Dareus or Kyle. But those other players are very good in their own right and make a lot of plays. With McCoy running/receiving, Watkins/Woods/Harvin in three wides, and Clay is various formations and roles, defenses won't know if we are running or passing, and have to pick their poison on who to double team. Watkins is going to have a lot of one on ones, as will Clay, as will Harvin. Rex is our HC of course, and played a huge role in this, but Roman now may be our most important coach. If he's really good at designing an offense, and utilizing his player's talents, and calling plays at the right times, we are going to be dangerous on both sides of the ball. If he's not, we will be wasting a lot of talent and money. Miami better not match the offer sheet.
JoeF Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Yolo, as we suspected, Michael Crabtree is visiting the Dolphins today. I suppose that is a teeny sign they will not be matching. Wouldn't be surprised if Tannenbaum brings in Spikes as retribution....Please sign Crabtree for about $8 million a year....
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised if Tannenbaum brings in Spikes as retribution....Please sign Crabtree for about $8 million a year....It's Crabtree's first visit. That should tell you something. Also Schefter with this... Then why did they take Sanchez at 5 when Crab was still there?@AdamSchefter: When Michael Crabtree came out in 2009, he was No. 1 player on Jets' board. Jets former GM Mike Tannenbaum now in MIA. Crabtree visiting.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Does anyone else think we may still draft a TE in round 2 or 3? CBF
Nanker Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Man, I'm getting excited about this year's squad. Can you imagine if we added Jim Kelly in his prime to this? :onfire!:
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Does anyone else think we may still draft a TE in round 2 or 3? CBF maybe in the 5th IMO Edited March 18, 2015 by YoloinOhio
NoSaint Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 It's Crabtree's first visit. That should tell you something. Also Schefter with this... Then why did they take Sanchez at 5 when Crab was still there? @AdamSchefter: When Michael Crabtree came out in 2009, he was No. 1 player on Jets' board. Jets former GM Mike Tannenbaum now in MIA. Crabtree visiting. picking for need over BPA, perhaps? I cant imagine they had sanchez at the top, but they had to get a qb.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 picking for need over BPA, perhaps? I cant imagine they had sanchez at the top, but they had to get a qb. No one actually takes BPA just because that guy is the BPA. Every pick is the exact same scenario. The #1 guy on your board versus the #1 guy at various positions of need versus the kind of team you have and other players you have. The Jets were going to run the ball, and they had a #1 WR already. I wouldn't have drafted Sanchez that high but it made sense if they really liked him, even if they had Crabtree rated higher. It also matters how much higher they had him rated than their 2 or 3 guy. I would bet Sanchez may not have been in their top ten overall, but was the best pick in their minds because they needed a QB.
BarleyNY Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Miami isn't matching this deal. Clay will be the 4th highest paid TE in the league with this deal ($7.6M/year). I don't see them paying both Clay and Jordan Cameron, who is close to the same number ($7.5M/year).
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 Miami isn't matching this deal. Clay will be the 4th highest paid TE in the league with this deal ($7.6M/year). I don't see them paying both Clay and Jordan Cameron, who is close to the same number ($7.5M/year). My only worry is that Michael Silver reported today that the Dolphins final/best offer to Clay came after the Jordan Cameron signing. That can mean different things but we don't know what they are. It could mean that they genuinely do want to run a two TE offense and will hold their nose but match the Bills deal. It could also mean (and more likely mean) that they have a ceiling on how much they are willing to pay Clay or two TEs and the Bills offer exceeds it substantially so they will not match. To me, they already showed their hand that 7m was all they would pay by the transition tag. They could have secured him with 8m with the franchise tag. I think the Bills know the Fins are not matching. But I will be a lot happier when it's official. I think there is a chance they will. Plus they can cut Cameron next year with little pain.
K-9 Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 ...Miami better not match the offer sheet. I honestly don't see how they can at this point. Committing $19m plus to the TE position for the season? With all that roster manipulation yet to accomplish? Although it would be funny to watch the about face by the scribes and fans who've been proclaiming that he's just not worth it since he signed the offer sheet. GO BILLS!!!
FLFan Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 It's Crabtree's first visit. That should tell you something. Also Schefter with this... Then why did they take Sanchez at 5 when Crab was still there? @AdamSchefter: When Michael Crabtree came out in 2009, he was No. 1 player on Jets' board. Jets former GM Mike Tannenbaum now in MIA. Crabtree visiting. That's kind of funny since the Jets traded up to select Sanchez.
BuffaninATL Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 God I love the internet. Hand wringing and crying over the Bills not getting a talented TE. Bills sign a TE. Hand wringing and crying over the Bills signing a talented TE. you nailed it Dork, my thoughts exactly.....we can't win for losing, as they say Well, the modus operandi of Whaley overpaying market value for players he covets has proven to be a consistent pattern. Huge risk/reward philosophy... hit it big you're in the penthouse popping champagne; miss and you're in the shlt house crying in your beer. Whaley's a true riverboat gambler. A thrill-seeker gunning for the hottest commodity cost be damned. I'm personally much more conservative than that, so I cringe when I see what appears on the surface to be reckless decisioning. Sure hope lady luck is with him on this deal. Gunning for the hottest commodity? A little bit of a reach, IMHO. Compared to the years past of the Bills FO doing nearly nothing in the offseason and letting core players walk, of course it would appear Whaley's a gunslinger.....it's all relative; but when you stop and think critically about it, he is smartly managing the cap and building in areas of critical, defined need. A home run in my book. And please cite an example of a coveted FA in today's market who does not get overpaid - Whaley is hardly alone doing this. It's the cost of doing business, or, more aptly, opportunity cost.
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