Delete This Account Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 i live off the elmwood strip, and enjoy it immensely. as for downtown, there is a lot beginning to bloom down there and a vibrant sense of community beginning to develop. restaurants are popping up all over the place. so are a lot more bars. the only drawback so far is the lack of a supermarket, though, the mayor is finally attempting to make that a priority. i'd suggest a year-long, indoor farmer's market rather than supermarket, and if i had the money, i'd be the first to try to set that up. the weekend action in the daytime still isn't happening, as compare to the Elmwood and Hertel strips. but if you can get in at a reasonable price, i'd get in. the way they're redeveloping Main Street, and with 3,000 jobs expected to be added to the medical corridor in the next three years, and a new stadium expected, and Solar City coming, it seems only a matter of time downtown becomes a real attractive place to live. and, the prices, i'm told, are going up. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I need to hit the lotto. Want a condo in buffalo , Stoughton , and Arlington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Yes all hot climate grapes. I love Cab Franc alone even though it's a staple for Bordeaux style blends. I love Petit Syrah with think steak and have only had Tempranillo a few times but liked it. The Cab Franc and Tempranillo are grown quite extensively here in VA Make for some very good, albeit expensive , wines. TO FISD, damn selling that place , even getting 50%, you should be able to buy a building of lofts, not just a loft in the building! And the taxes coming from CA should not be a total system shock. Edited March 18, 2015 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I'm 34 and have never seen the city of Buffalo in better shape. Things are getting built all over the city. Downtown actually looks like a real downtown. Awesome lofts everywhere and they are building a supermarket. You have the arena, the Harborcenter, and casino all right there. There are projects in store for the waterfront. I've never been more proud to show off Buffalo to out of towners. But to leave SD? The weather sucks haha. Be a snowbird and you will love life. Could not agree more with this statement. The people that continue to make fun of downtown Buffalo, either have not been down in the last 4-5 years or simply ignorant jackasses that are just trying to get a rise out of the hometowners. The last 2 winters have been brutal but the 4-5 winters before that were pretty mild. In fact 2012 I don't think any ice even formed on the lake all winter. Pegula has dumped a ton of money in the downtown area & canal side, small boat harbor, casino, are very happening places. The condos on the water front are very nice with there own driveways & parking on the street so parking should not be an issue. Everything is a 20 minute commute so traffic is not a problem. I mean obviously it is not as nice as San Diego but it is not a bad alternative either. It is only going to get better also as I assume they will be building the stadium right by the Casino in the next 5-10 years so things are definately looking up. The Harbor Center with 716 bar is beautiful & they hockey games & other stuff going on there on a nightly basis. If I were you I would buy one of the townhouses by the waterfront. Edited March 18, 2015 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I live in the north towns but everyone that's moved down to Elmwood, Allentown, etc. has not looked back. If you can, try to get near the Elmwood district, tons of bars, restaurants, shops, etc. My fiancee and I will head down on a Saturday afternoon, check out a brewery, go to happy hour at a local bar, and then dinner at a fancy place within 5 minutes walking distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Im 35, just moved back last year after 10 years in the heart of Atlanta, and I can tell you the City of Buffalo has a lot of good things going for it. It's not the same city it was 10-15 years ago. Heck, its not even the same city it was 5 years ago. There's a ton going on, a ton booming, and the city is still safe and affordable (especially compared to San Diego/California). If I were single and kinda starting over, I would definitely be looking to live in any of the new real estate developments downtown. Welcome Back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Could not agree more with this statement. The people that continue to make fun of downtown Buffalo, either have not been down in the last 4-5 years or simply ignorant jackasses that are just trying to get a rise out of the hometowners. The last 2 winters have been brutal but the 4-5 winters before that were pretty mild. In fact 2012 I don't think any ice even formed on the lake all winter. Pegula has dumped a ton of money in the downtown area & canal side, small boat harbor, casino, are very happening places. The condos on the water front are very nice with there own driveways & parking on the street so parking should not be an issue. Everything is a 20 minute commute so traffic is not a problem. I mean obviously it is not as nice as San Diego but it is not a bad alternative either. It is only going to get better also as I assume they will be building the stadium right by the Casino in the next 5-10 years so things are definately looking up. The Harbor Center with 716 bar is beautiful & they hockey games & other stuff going on there on a nightly basis. If I were you I would buy one of the townhouses by the waterfront. I am sorry Gordio. I am probably the one that gets your ire up. I am just not pro-tourist, "green", or whatever economy it is. You need substance when building an economy. Then again, I am by no way an economist. Solid commercial interests are the backbone of any strong economy. Business rules. A weather lull every two years doesn't pay the bills. How did TPegs make his dough? I am not a naysayer, just a reality checker... Sounds like it is working, I truly hope it does. But I sure hope the other shoe doesn't drop w/this brave new economy that can turn on a time when people's discretionary spending goes kaput. Again... Sorry for getting your ire up... People should know what they are in for! Edited March 18, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I am sorry Gordio. I am probably the one that gets your ire up. I am just not pro-tourist, "green", or whatever economy it is. You need substance when building an economy. Then again, I am by no way an economist. Solid commercial interests are the backbone of any strong economy. Business rules. A weather lull every two years doesn't pay the bills. How did TPegs make his dough? I am not a naysayer, just a reality checker... Sounds like it is working, I truly hope it does. But I sure hope the other shoe doesn't drop w/this brave new economy that can turn on a time when people's discretionary spending goes kaput. Again... Sorry for getting your ire up... People should know what they are in for! Read Warrow's post. He summarizes what is happening better then I could. There investing a ton of money into the health care field with good paying jobs & I believe that field is here to say. I never said it was going to be the booming shipping town that it once was, noone is saying that. But for you to keep harping on the fact that Buffalo will never improve because they are located on the wrong side of the lake is wrong. I am not quite your seeing what is going on downtown. + San Diego said he is semi retired anyways, so what does he care if there are long good sustainable jobs here or not. I am not saying weather lulls pay the bills. But don't say that last 2 winters are the norm here in Buffalo. That is simply not true. I have lived here most of my life except for the 4 years I went to college & this last winter was by far the worst winter I have ever experienced here. Feb was the coldest Feb on record & the third snowiest so that is not the norm. Like I said 2012 I dont think I picked up a shovel all year. Our part of the lake is by far the best of the great lakes for water activities as the other lakes are much too cold. Lake Erie where Buffalo is gets in the 70's in parts of the summer. I am not sure any other lake gets that warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Read Warrow's post. He summarizes what is happening better then I could. There investing a ton of money into the health care field with good paying jobs & I believe that field is here to say. I never said it was going to be the booming shipping town that it once was, noone is saying that. But for you to keep harping on the fact that Buffalo will never improve because they are located on the wrong side of the lake is wrong. I am not quite your seeing what is going on downtown. + San Diego said he is semi retired anyways, so what does he care if there are long good sustainable jobs here or not. I am not saying weather lulls pay the bills. But don't say that last 2 winters are the norm here in Buffalo. That is simply not true. I have lived here most of my life except for the 4 years I went to college & this last winter was by far the worst winter I have ever experienced here. Feb was the coldest Feb on record & the third snowiest so that is not the norm. Like I said 2012 I dont think I picked up a shovel all year. Our part of the lake is by far the best of the great lakes for water activities as the other lakes are much too cold. Lake Erie where Buffalo is gets in the 70's in parts of the summer. I am not sure any other lake gets that warm. You are right... I am just very leary. I know I am heavy on the old economy. Sounds like it is really taking flight, the New BFLO. Water activity is way too short though... Probably why Bass Pro was better to not come. As you can tell, I hate The Ice Boom... They do everything on the cheap for that power production @ Niagara and then send the power elsewhere without giving a HUGE cut to WNY residents! That's gotta change... They spend gobs of money elsewhere to keep The Lake's season longer... They can do it for BFLO now that it's economy is going recreational/tourist/service. I know it protects property too, but it kills BFLO's location. They don't have to do it on the cheap, keeping The Lake open that is! Edited March 18, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Read Warrow's post. He summarizes what is happening better then I could. There investing a ton of money into the health care field with good paying jobs & I believe that field is here to say. I never said it was going to be the booming shipping town that it once was, noone is saying that. But for you to keep harping on the fact that Buffalo will never improve because they are located on the wrong side of the lake is wrong. I am not quite your seeing what is going on downtown. + San Diego said he is semi retired anyways, so what does he care if there are long good sustainable jobs here or not. I am not saying weather lulls pay the bills. But don't say that last 2 winters are the norm here in Buffalo. That is simply not true. I have lived here most of my life except for the 4 years I went to college & this last winter was by far the worst winter I have ever experienced here. Feb was the coldest Feb on record & the third snowiest so that is not the norm. Like I said 2012 I dont think I picked up a shovel all year. Our part of the lake is by far the best of the great lakes for water activities as the other lakes are much too cold. Lake Erie where Buffalo is gets in the 70's in parts of the summer. I am not sure any other lake gets that warm. Buffalo's charge continues. From UB Medical, to the Waterfront development, to TP dropping big bucks on the Harbor Center and most likely more to come, and on and on, it's really booming. I listened to Ted Black on WGR recently, and like JW, he lives in the Elmwood villiage and loves it, i think he may have been talking with Sal on GR at the time as he lives there as well. But they were talking about how much they love the Elmwood area and city. There is still work to do, but it's all headed in the right direction. The past 2 winters have been pretty brutal, but the past 2 summers have been great. And the summer weather is very good, as opposed to somewhere like Chicago, where heat waves are 10x worse than any winter weather in Buffalo. I can take the cold, just dress for it, but I hate the heat. Lot's of activities and festivals in the summer and more and more happenings in the winter as well. I live in Amherst now and really like the area, but If i were single, I would definitely move downtown. Edited March 18, 2015 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You are right... I am just very leary. I know I am heavy on the old economy. Sounds like it is really taking flight, the New BFLO. Water activity is way too short though... Probably why Bass Pro was better to not come. As you can tell, I hate The Ice Boom... They do everything on the cheap for that power production @ Niagara and then send the power elsewhere without giving a HUGE cut to WNY residents! That's gotta change... They spend gobs of money elsewhere to keep The Lake's season longer... They can do it for BFLO now that it's economy is going recreational/tourist/service. I know it protects property too, but it kills BFLO's location. They don't have to do it on the cheap, keeping The Lake open that is! God you live in a narrow world. Do you really think # of days of open lake Erie water is the key to Buffalos economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) God you live in a narrow world. Do you really think # of days of open lake Erie water is the key to Buffalos economy?It is for the recreational economy. Fishing and other interests. The recreational industry gets off two months slower than other parts of The Lakes... Heck, even The Arrowhead of MN and The Apostle Islands get a jump on BFLO as a recreational summer tourist destination. Look @ the Western Basin of Lake Erie and the recreational economy it brings in. It's starting to get in swing now.... They can do A LOT more for recreational interests. If they want slips @ Solar City, The BFLO River... They have to start thinking clear it it by late March, early April... EVERY YEAR. They can, they just don't want to spend the money. Edited March 18, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 God you live in a narrow world. Do you really think # of days of open lake Erie water is the key to Buffalos economy? Yes. Yes he does. Which is amusing since everyone knows that the key to Buffalo's economic growth lies with keeping the Erie Canal open all year to facilitate trade with Albany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Also... This is the time when people start doing The Great Loop and heading up North. Very few vessels transit the BFLO section. I am not saying it is huge for the economy, but it would help if BFLO actually would be a recreational destination for passing vessels on their way around the country... Every little bit helps. If "ice out" is last for the BFLO area on the Great Loop route... Where do you think they will go? Just around. Of course many chose the more scenic route from Lake Ontario to Lake Huron (via the Canadian Canals)... BUT BFLO needs to put itself on the map/route for a summer tourist destination via the water... They are on the route, many just chose to avoid the gem we call BFLO/eastern basin of Lake Erie. Yes. Yes he does. Which is amusing since everyone knows that the key to Buffalo's economic growth lies with keeping the Erie Canal open all year to facilitate trade with Albany. That's just silly. But, if they can tap into the outside recreational resources... It can't hurt! Start thinking outside the box! Edited March 18, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It is for the recreational economy. Fishing and other interests. The recreational industry gets off two months slower than other parts of The Lakes... Heck, even The Arrowhead of MN and The Apostle Islands get a jump on BFLO as a recreational summer tourist destination. Look @ the Western Basin of Lake Erie and the recreational economy it brings in. It's starting to get in swing now.... They can do A LOT more for recreational interests. If they want slips @ Solar City, The BFLO River... They have to start thinking clear it it by late March, early April... EVERY YEAR. They can, they just don't want to spend the money. Aspen is a recreational economy. Buffalo never was and never will be. Get over the shipping thing too. They've done wonders with trains now a days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Aspen is a recreational economy. Buffalo never was and never will be. Get over the shipping thing too. They've done wonders with trains now a days. BFLO can be a recreational destination... What do you think they are attempting to do? Haven't you read this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 BFLO can be a recreational destination... What do you think they are attempting to do? Haven't you read this thread? You're confusing destination with amusements for the people that live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You're confusing destination with amusements for the people that live there. Wow... Just wow... That will build a strong, stable, self-sustaining economy! Not. What say ye my dear Buffaloians that stayed? Will this internal "amusement" build what the BFLO economy needs to grow fully? Or does it need outside sources too? Sure there is medical corridor, Solar City, etc.. But, JiA's thinking is exactly what has plagued the City of BFLO since it's inception! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Wow... Just wow... That will build a strong, stable, self-sustaining economy! Not. What say ye my dear Buffaloians that stayed? Will this internal "amusement" build what the BFLO economy needs to grow fully? Or does it need outside sources too? Sure there is medical corridor, Solar City, etc.. But, JiA's thinking is exactly what has plagued the City of BFLO since it's inception! You seem to be even more bizarre than I thought. Now it's taking my post's and pretending there yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 You seem to be even more bizarre than I thought. Now it's taking my post's and pretending there yours? Huh? Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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