The dangers of our new normal...

[Azalin]

Clown number three, and reason number three. But, in fairness, this clown is particularly stupid and generally has no clue about anything, so why would he know

 

Did I mention that the responses, despite any lack of originality and the occasional frequent poop reference, are damned entertaining?

 

You do realize that's the only reason anyone talks to you, right?

Edited November 20, 2015 by Azalin

[Chef Jim]

Sillly conclusion

 

I know I purposely left that word out because it was your word.

Oh great, you clowns can't even agree on why you are asking questions! Go for a walk outside Tom

 

Why should we all be asking you questions for the same reason? Hmmmm I wonder what conclusion I'll draw from the answer.

 

Oh and the and I guess you're right. The conclusions are silly. That's because they are drawn from your answers.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Chef Jim

[DC Tom]

 

Be honest - the questions are only asked because the answers they get are so damned entertaining.

 

Well...yeah. Highlighting his idiocy is entertaining.

[Deranged Rhino]

If you protest fracking you're probably a terrorist... This is how the mass surveillance programs are really being used, it's not to fight terrorism, it's to protect corporate interests. Funny how that works... (that said, if stopping protests against fracking keeps the Bills in Buffalo, fug 'em )

 

http://yournewswire.com/anti-fracking-campaigner-detained-under-the-terrorism-act/

 

 

“I said this was an infringement against my fundamental human rights.”

“They said ‘We have to take your phone. If you don’t give it to us we will have to charge you under the Terrorism Act.’”

“I said I was allowing them against my better judgement.”

“I said I have this country’s best interests at heart. The legacy we are leaving future generations scares the crap out of me.”

 

(more links from 2013-2015)

https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/02/02/in-fracking-hot-spots-police-and-gas-industry-share-intelligence-on-activists/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/20/anti-fracking-protesers-glitter-terrorists/

http://columbusfreepress.com/article/fbi-report-targets-anti-fracking-activists-terrorists-non-violent-protests-movie-attendance

[Deranged Rhino]

San Bernardino Shootings prove Snowden and Binney were correct:

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/PatrickWatson/San-Bernardino-Shooters-Snowden-Terrorism/2015/12/15/id/705883/

 

News reports say the killers disposed or destroyed their personal electronic devices before the attack. That means Comey was probably relying on communications intercepted by the National Security Agency (NSA).

 

Whether that’s true or he learned it some other way, the government looks bad. If Comey’s source is the NSA, then it means persons known to have radical sympathies still managed to enter the U.S. unhindered and stage an attack.

So what are we taxpayers getting for the billions of dollars we give these agencies?

Edward Snowden, the NSA whistle-blower who fled overseas in 2013, said the NSA was intercepting far more data than it could possibly analyze. It did so as part of General Keith Alexander’s “collect it all” campaign.

The result was an intelligence agency drowning in so much intercepted data that it missed what Comey’s agents found in a matter of days – once they knew where to look. By then, 14 people were dead and 22 injured.

In other words, we spent untold billions of dollars and sacrificed hard-fought civil liberties so the FBI could explain a killer’s motive after the victims were already dead.

I don’t consider that a good deal.

 

[Tiberius]

If you protest fracking you're probably a terrorist... This is how the mass surveillance programs are really being used, it's not to fight terrorism, it's to protect corporate interests. Funny how that works... (that said, if stopping protests against fracking keeps the Bills in Buffalo, fug 'em )

 

http://yournewswire.com/anti-fracking-campaigner-detained-under-the-terrorism-act/

 

 

 

(more links from 2013-2015)

https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/02/02/in-fracking-hot-spots-police-and-gas-industry-share-intelligence-on-activists/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/20/anti-fracking-protesers-glitter-terrorists/

http://columbusfreepress.com/article/fbi-report-targets-anti-fracking-activists-terrorists-non-violent-protests-movie-attendance

lol, help help I'm being repressed!

[OCinBuffalo]

If you protest fracking you're probably a terrorist... This is how the mass surveillance programs are really being used, it's not to fight terrorism, it's to protect corporate interests. Funny how that works... (that said, if stopping protests against fracking keeps the Bills in Buffalo, fug 'em )

 

http://yournewswire.com/anti-fracking-campaigner-detained-under-the-terrorism-act/

 

 

 

(more links from 2013-2015)

https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/02/02/in-fracking-hot-spots-police-and-gas-industry-share-intelligence-on-activists/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/20/anti-fracking-protesers-glitter-terrorists/

http://columbusfreepress.com/article/fbi-report-targets-anti-fracking-activists-terrorists-non-violent-protests-movie-attendance

News. Truth. Unfiltered.

 

. . . Bullschit.

 

The first link is from an obvious propoganda site. How can I tell: read it again. It's rambling, all over the place, "Look, squirrel!" incoherence. None of the paragraphs link to an overal theme/no beginning/middle/end. Just as you are beginning to piece together their argument, wham, another inflammatory assertion gets dropped on you. You never get a chance to consider the argument in parts or as a whole...because they don't want you do. Thus, this isn't a hard news article, it's an assualt on one's train of thought, as it is desgined to be. Hence: obvious propoganda.

 

And, how the hell does whatever is going on in the progressive, liberal, "more enlightened than the US" United Kingdom implicate the NSA, or any other US agency?

 

Don't you think it's interesting that the same story is being repeated over and over in your links, nearly word for word? This is classic Saul Alinsky behavior/propaganda tactics. "Oh look they're conspiring against us, and doing terrible things to us...that makes us right, and them evil!"

 

Moreover, apparently we are supposed to take it on faith that anti-fracking protestors cannot also be sympathetic to radical Islamist, or Communist, or Environtologist actions/beliefs, or any other undesirable, anti-social nonsense. That's like telling me that peanut butter never has, doesn't, and never will have anything to do with jelly.

 

Come on. FInally, Environtologists have committed plenty of acts of terror. Or at least plenty of acts of property damage, such that spot checking a Enviro whack-job is not out of bounds.

Edited January 13, 2016 by OCinBuffalo

[Deranged Rhino]

How the CIA made Google: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e#.gez34zl6m

Come on. FInally, Environtologists have committed plenty of acts of terror. Or at least plenty of acts of property damage, such that spot checking a Enviro whack-job is not out of bounds.

 

No one is saying Environmentalists cannot be violent extremists. No argument there.

 

But as we've seen over the past decade, mass surveillance and bulk collection doesn't stop terrorists or terrorist acts, that's not the intention of the program.

[Tiberius]

News. Truth. Unfiltered.

 

. . . Bullschit.

 

BINGO and Greggy was his name-o

[Deranged Rhino]

BINGO and Greggy was his name-o

[GG]

How the CIA made Google: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e#.gez34zl6m

 

Do you find even a shred of irony of posting a critical article on the INTERNET about government's role in helping Google

[Deranged Rhino]

Do you find even a shred of irony of posting a critical article on the INTERNET about government's role in helping Google

 

100% of the time.

[Deranged Rhino]

NYS Looks to outlaw sale of encrypted cell phones: http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-iphone-ban-new-york-looks-to-outlaw-sale-of-encrypted-smartphones/

http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-york-to-ban-encrypted-iphone-android-devices-what-you-can-do/

[Deranged Rhino]

An Oligarchy has broken our Democracy:

 

 

 

Consider that in 1992, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney privatized much of our military’s logistics. A decade later, Halliburton, a company he headed from 1995 to 2000, received $39.5bn in logistics contracts to support operations in Iraq, while Cheney, having been elected to the vice presidency, was receiving deferred compensation from his old firm.

A tell-tale sign of the Deep State’s involvement in policy is the use of fear to make Congress compliant. In 2008, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke helped panic Congress into approving a virtual no-strings bailout of Wall Street by claiming that if it didn’t approve the measure immediately, there would be no economy left. Since he left the Fed, Bernanke has made a profitable career giving speeches, mainly to financial services firms, at around $200,000 a talk.

Likewise, when there are economic incentives for war, fear becomes the Deep State’s weapon of choice. In 2002, the Bush administration (and well-paid operatives in the military-industrial complex) hinted at nuclear mushroom clouds to stampede Congress into authorizing an invasion of Iraq in search of nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. During the last 15 years, elites have tried to keep us on the edge of hysteria about terrorism.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/17/oligarchy-broken-our-democracy-must-be-dislodged-election-2016?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Version+CB+header&utm_term=151510&subid=1404220&CMP=ema_565b

[Deranged Rhino]

90% of people killed in drone strikes were not the target: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

[DC Tom]

90% of people killed in drone strikes were not the target: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

 

Yeah? It's called "collateral damage." Drones fire explosives, not bullets. There's always extraneous people standing around, in the way. That this is news is less reflective of the technology than it is of the immaturity of Americans - what do you think happens when you blow **** up with missiles?

 

At least there's no "friendly fire" casualties from it. Historically, some 10% of all military casualties are from friendly fire.

[GG]

An Oligarchy has broken our Democracy:

 

A tell-tale sign of the Deep State’s involvement in policy is the use of fear to make Congress compliant. In 2008, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke helped panic Congress into approving a virtual no-strings bailout of Wall Street by claiming that if it didn’t approve the measure immediately, there would be no economy left. Since he left the Fed, Bernanke has made a profitable career giving speeches, mainly to financial services firms, at around $200,000 a talk.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/17/oligarchy-broken-our-democracy-must-be-dislodged-election-2016?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Version+CB+header&utm_term=151510&subid=1404220&CMP=ema_565b

 

Just for kicks, it would have been "fun" to see the Fed & Treasury sit on the sidelines on Sept 16, 2008 and to watch how the press would have covered the ensuing calamity.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Yeah? It's called "collateral damage." Drones fire explosives, not bullets. There's always extraneous people standing around, in the way. That this is news is less reflective of the technology than it is of the immaturity of Americans - what do you think happens when you blow **** up with missiles?

 

At least there's no "friendly fire" casualties from it. Historically, some 10% of all military casualties are from friendly fire.

 

90% is a big number. Bigger than most Americans would tolerate if they truly understood what was truly happening and how these decisions get made. That to me is the issue. It's not that people aren't aware that drones cause collateral damage (even though they aren't by and large, they see drones as "surgical" weapons), the bigger issue is how few Americans realize the scope of Obama's drone program.

 

For a Nobel Peace Prize winner, Obama has slaughtered a lot of innocent civilians in his video game war. This of course breeds contempt, continues the cycle of radicalizing people in the region. What better ad campaign for extremism is there than over a decade of robots dropping bombs from the sky on civilian populations.

 

You can't get a positive from a negative.

[DC Tom]

 

90% is a big number. Bigger than most Americans would tolerate if they truly understood what was truly happening and how these decisions get made. That to me is the issue. It's not that people aren't aware that drones cause collateral damage (even though they aren't by and large, they see drones as "surgical" weapons), the bigger issue is how few Americans realize the scope of Obama's drone program.

 

For a Nobel Peace Prize winner, Obama has slaughtered a lot of innocent civilians in his video game war. This of course breeds contempt, continues the cycle of radicalizing people in the region. What better ad campaign for extremism is there than over a decade of robots dropping bombs from the sky on civilian populations.

 

You can't get a positive from a negative.

 

Ninety percent is an average of seven other people around when the target is hit. I can't think of any reported strikes that didn't have at least four other people in close proximity to the target. That has nothing to do with the scope of the program; that's simply the nature of the program. That's war. You don't want collateral damage, you want to reduce that "90%" number, use snipers.

 

It's not that I disagree that this is radicalizing people (how often do you hear justifications for terrorists from that region being our terrorizing the region with "indiscriminate" bombing - even though our bombing is very discriminating as bombing goes.) It's that the American people want robots to fight bloodless wars ("bloodless" having an exclusively one-sided meaning, best described as "Who cares what happens to the brown people?") Which again brings me back to the immaturity of Americans in desiring this sort of warfare but being surprised at the consequences.

[Nanker]

So. Winston Smith or Guy Montag. Choose your dystopia.

There's an element of both in the air.