GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Right. Totally okay with that. The problem with the argument that a QB like Tanny isn't good enough falls flat when you look at those numbers. Once the playoffs start, by math, the average QB's that make the playoffs have an infinitely higher chance of winning the Super Bowl compared to an EJ or a Geno. And when I say infinite, I mean it. Which is why I answered a reluctant "yes" to your poll.
Big Turk Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 I see Dareus as our "pending Suh", and that gets you in cap trouble in a hurry - ask the Dolphins. I'm not sure how much money we can have on the DLine along with Mario and the rest of the gang. LT isn't cheap either. That's the only advantage to not having a Franchise QB, I guess. I'd gladly take that problem. Yeah...real cap trouble next year with $50 million to spend, plus whatever the cap increases and our cap casualties...we are in so much trouble...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 75% would rather have Tanny as the starter, apparently. I'd bet 100% would want any of the following over EJ and Tannehil Luck, Rogers, Wilson, Brady (well maybe 80% for Tummy as there is due to be a bias), should I poll it for you? (to make you feel better?)
Kirby Jackson Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) The answer has to be yes at this point even if you aren't a Tannehill fan (which I'm not). He threw for over 4,000 yards and had 27 TDs to 12 INTs. It's not feasible at this point to prefer EJ. A more realistic and better question at this point is would you rather have EJ or Geno? For me that's an "I don't know." Geno makes more plays and more mistakes. Edited March 15, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 The answer has to be yes at this point even if you aren't a Tannehill fan (which I'm not). He threw for over 4,000 yards and had 27 TDs to 12 INTs. It's not feasible at this point to prefer EJ. A more realistic and better question at this point is would you rather have EJ or Geno? For me that's an "I don't know." Geno makes more plays and more mistakes. Oh God, EJ every day of the week.
nucci Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Scott Chandler 2014: 47 rec 497 yds 3 TD career (9 seasons) 182 rec 2120 yds 17 TD Charles Clay 2014: 58 rec 605 yds 3 TD career (5 seasons) 161 rec 1809 yds 14 TD TBD consensus: Chandler at $3M blows, #$% 'im, good riddance, Clay at $9M, no problem, awesome, massive upgrade What am I missing here? It looks to me like we got similar talent at 3X the price. Chandler was still better than anything we had on this roster, and it looks to me like he's maybe slightly less than Clay. I don't get it, so please enlighten me TBD. can't judge everything by stats.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Oh God, EJ every day of the week. trolls got to eat
Chandler#81 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Mea Culpa. I attempted to merge last 3 pages of. New Clay thread with the Poll Clay thread. Hit the wrong button.. I was merging them because the new thread didn't really add value, just another 'nobody' tweet that we finally made him an offer. Anyway, trying to figure out how to undo what I done.. Carry on with EJ
nucci Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Mea Culpa. I attempted to merge last 3 pages of. New Clay thread with the Poll Clay thread. Hit the wrong button.. I was merging them because the new thread didn't really add value, just another 'nobody' tweet that we finally made him an offer. Anyway, trying to figure out how to undo what I done.. Carry on with EJ It's the off-season Bobby C. Just be ready when camp starts.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) trolls got to eatThis is the 1st time that I have ever been called a troll here!! That's kind of exciting. EJ vs. Geno is a much more realistic comparison at this point than EJ vs. Tannehill. If you put a gun to my head I would pick EJ over Geno (mostly because of the unknown). I believe that Geno is more capable of winning (and losing) games on his own than EJ. Edited March 15, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
FireChan Posted March 15, 2015 Author Posted March 15, 2015 I'd bet 100% would want any of the following over EJ and Tannehil Luck, Rogers, Wilson, Brady (well maybe 80% for Tummy as there is due to be a bias), should I poll it for you? (to make you feel better?) What does that have to do with anything? Word diarrhea again? The answer has to be yes at this point even if you aren't a Tannehill fan (which I'm not). He threw for over 4,000 yards and had 27 TDs to 12 INTs. It's not feasible at this point to prefer EJ. A more realistic and better question at this point is would you rather have EJ or Geno? For me that's an "I don't know." Geno makes more plays and more mistakes. That's what I thought. Shocked to discover otherwise. Geno vs. EJ is devil you know. They are mirror images. Geno may end up being the better QB, but EJ is more conducive to winning now. I think I'd stick with EJ. Which is why I answered a reluctant "yes" to your poll. Yeah, I was having a discussion with someone else and he sorta ignored the grand point, so I had to make it to you.
billsfan1959 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 The answer has to be yes at this point even if you aren't a Tannehill fan (which I'm not). He threw for over 4,000 yards and had 27 TDs to 12 INTs. It's not feasible at this point to prefer EJ. A more realistic and better question at this point is would you rather have EJ or Geno? For me that's an "I don't know." Geno makes more plays and more mistakes. Exactly: at this point the logical vote would be yes. The OP wants us to make an argument that Manuel, who only played 14 games and hasn't played since week four of this last season, is better at this point than a QB who has had the opportunity to improve over three full, uninterrupted seasons at QB. It is an argument that cannot be reasonably made. So, what exactly is this poll supposed to demonstrate? That Tannehill, (whose completion %, TD%, INT%, and QB rating were all worse in his first 14 games than Manuel's) improved with the opportunity to do so? That a QB who has played 48 games is better at this point than a QB who has played 14 games? Big surprise. Do we need a poll to figure that out? My guess is that the primary purpose of this poll is to provide the OP with something he can use to rationalize his long standing dislike for Manuel.
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 That Tannehill, (whose completion %, TD%, INT%, and QB rating were all worse in his first 14 games than Manuel's) It can't be true... because EJ is the worsest Quarterback ever..... I read it on here.
billsfan1959 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) It can't be true... because EJ is the worsest Quarterback ever..... I read it on here. Here they are (1st 14 games each). But don't tell anyone - it might dispel a lot of myths out there....like a QB can't improve Att Comp Comp% Yds TDs TD% INTs INT% QB rating Tannehill 396 227 57.3 2709 8 2.02 12 3.03 72.4 Manuel 437 256 58.6 2816 16 3.66 12 2.74 78.5 Edited March 15, 2015 by billsfan1959
Bangarang Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Here they are (1st 14 games each). But don't tell anyone - it might dispel a lot of myths out there....like a QB can't improve Att Comp Comp% Yds TDs TD% INTs INT% QB rating Tannehill 396 227 57.3 2709 8 2.02 12 3.03 72.4 Manuel 437 256 58.6 2816 16 3.66 12 2.74 78.5 I wouldn't consider it to be a fair comparison by taking EJ's numbers after 2 full seasons and compare them to Tannehill's after 14 games in his rookie year. Still seems like people are talking like EJ is a rookie still with the whole "he's only played 14 games" stuff. I find it misleading. Why would you try and compare the stats of someone who had an entire off-season to work on his game and improve to someone who was still in their rookie season? Edited March 15, 2015 by Bangarang
Chandler#81 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 It's the off-season Bobby C. Just be ready when camp starts. Ha! Going to Phoenix to train like crazy! I'll be ready for Camp! Thanks.
dave mcbride Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) This is stupid and another sad attempt to put EJ down. Of course at this point, you have to take Tannehll. But here's their first 4 games last year: Tannehll - 93/ 155, 60%, 902 yards, 5.8 ypa, 6 tds, 3 ints, 2 fumbles, 0 rushing tds. W-L: 2-2 http://www.nfl.com/player/ryantannehill/2532956/gamelogs Manuel - 76/131, 58%, 838 yards, 6.4 ypa, 5 tds, 3 ints, 1 fumble, 1 rushing td. W-L: 2-2 http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/gamelogs Seems like 2 young qbs who got off to very similar starts. Except our gutless coach benched our guy and the Miami coaches, despite whining by fans and media, stuck with Tannehill. And he improved. Tannehill has Aaron Rodgers' old OC and a guy from Chip Kelly's staff. We had guys who worked with Ryan Nassib in the Big East who turned a 9-7 record into assistant coaches jobs with the Jags. But there is one place EJ is clearly ahead of him. He's one and zero versus him. In fact, the only Bills QB to lose to Tannehill is the veteran upgrade and your hero Kyle Orton. Appreciate the stats, but please please please refrain from including the W-L stat. It's the ultimate team game, and qb win-loss stats are for knuckle draggers. As you probably know, even in baseball w-l stats for pitchers aren't regarded as indicative of much anymore. As for tannehill, he was stil learning when he came into the league, having played qb only one season in college. Manuel was a qb throughout all of college and attended a lifetime's worth of primo youth qb camps. The ceiling was and is higher for tannehill. This is the 1st time that I have ever been called a troll here!! That's kind of exciting. EJ vs. Geno is a much more realistic comparison at this point than EJ vs. Tannehill. If you put a gun to my head I would pick EJ over Geno (mostly because of the unknown). I believe that Geno is more capable of winning (and losing) games on his own than EJ. It's a tough one, but I'd take Smith. He looks like a more natural qb and throws a better intermediate deep ball. Edited March 15, 2015 by dave mcbride
Mark80 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 So this thread goes, EJ vs Tanny, then to Clay rumors, then to EJ vs Tanny. Fun.
FireChan Posted March 15, 2015 Author Posted March 15, 2015 I wouldn't consider it to be a fair comparison by taking EJ's numbers after 2 full seasons and compare them to Tannehill's after 14 games in his rookie year. Still seems like people are talking like EJ is a rookie still with the whole "he's only played 14 games" stuff. I find it misleading. Why would you try and compare the stats of someone who had an entire off-season to work on his game and improve to someone who was still in their rookie season? That's a very good point. Maybe they should compare the differences betwen first and second seasons for both QB's.
metzelaars_lives Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 This is the 1st time that I have ever been called a troll here!! That's kind of exciting. EJ vs. Geno is a much more realistic comparison at this point than EJ vs. Tannehill. If you put a gun to my head I would pick EJ over Geno (mostly because of the unknown). I believe that Geno is more capable of winning (and losing) games on his own than EJ. Don't get too excited. He calls everyone a troll. I'm not sure he understands what it means.
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