Niagara Dude Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I would say neither. They will never win with a guy like Tanny, who can basically only throw 4-yard passes. I would rather have his wife, much better looking
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 12 months ago I voted "no". The reasoning was two fold - 1. I saw more good than most seem to in EJ's rookie year and thought there was more than enough to justify the faith of more than 10 games and 2. I was not at all a fan of Ryan Tannehill and thought the infatuation with him that certain prominent NFL writers had was odd to say the least. At this point in time the answer would be a reluctant "yes". The reason again is two fold - 1. The lack of progress from EJ in year two was worrying and indeed he looked more confused than he had at any point in year one. 2. Ryan Tannehill played the position much more efficiently in 2014. However, it is reluctant because I think that the criticisms others have made of Tannehill on here are valid. For me he is right there with Andy Dalton on the meridian line of Quarterbacking in the National Football League. If you have someone better than Dalton / Tanny you can think that you have your guy. If you have someone worse then you need to keep looking. The problem is those guys right in the middle. Matt Schaub played at that level for a few years for Houston and as has been mentioned Carson Palmer has flirted with it at times during his career too. How many play-off games have those four guys won in their NFL careers? The answer is 1....and it was a game where Schaub BEAT Dalton. They are guys who will always have you in the play-off hunt and always have you going home pretty much as soon as you get there because their skill sets are limited in such a way that a defensive coordinator with some talented defensive players to call on can take what you do well away. It is no coincidence that one of the things Bill Lazor did to try and improve the efficiency of Tannehill last year was to run some read option where he uses his legs - trying to expand the ways he can hurt a team. Even with this Bills defense and with these Bills weapons there is about a 1% chance we would win a Superbowl with Ryan Tannehill. But after 15 years of not getting to the play-offs if offered a straight up trade I'd take the guy who at this moment (forget ceilings for a second) gives me the best chance of getting there.... and that is Ryan Tannehill. I know FC didn't want the thread to go there but I actually think Cassell is capable if playing at a Tannehill level - that is where his best years have been on the performance chart so if I am allowed to bring that context to the decision then it makes the decision more finely balanced.
FireChan Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 Sorry if I don't have a lot of love for average Dolphin QBs. Geno Smith crushed him in the Dolphin's last game in Miami last season. Way to close out the season with a whimper. Tannehill isn't going to amount to anything other than average in this league. At least Geno and EJ still have the unknown factor going for them. The unknown factor also means that they can be worse than average, right?
hondo in seattle Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I don't care about EJ versus Tannehill. I care about EJ versus Cassel versus Taylor. I'm hoping EJ becomes better than Cassel ever was. Or I'm hoping Cassel has his best year yet. Or I'm hoping Taylor was a diamond buried in a depth chart.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 The unknown factor also means that they can be worse than average, right? I don't want an average QB for the Bills. I want a Superbowl championship and I would keep looking till I found a QB that could win one. Specifically a perennial top 10 QB. Having an average QB keeps you in limbo for 5-10 years before you even start looking around again. Cincy, KC and Miami are screwed more than the Bills are because at least the Bills are in the QB search game already. Those three teams will never win a Superbowl their current starting QBs. It may sound crazy, but that's how I look at it.
NewEra Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Anyone who votes no is straight up looney. Tannehill isn't the second coming of Joe Montana but EJ......
FireChan Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 I don't want an average QB for the Bills. I want a Superbowl championship and I would keep looking till I found a QB that could win one. Specifically a perennial top 10 QB. Having an average QB keeps you in limbo for 5-10 years before you even start looking around again. Cincy, KC and Miami are screwed more than the Bills are because at least the Bills are in the QB search game already. Those three teams will never win a Superbowl their current starting QBs. It may sound crazy, but that's how I look at it. This is a similar discussion we had earlier. Give me your top 10 list, and we can discuss it in detail.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 This is a similar discussion we had earlier. Give me your top 10 list, and we can discuss it in detail. Don't get hung up on the top 10 thing. It's more the knowledge that they are very average QBs who will never win a Superbowl. You need a lot more than what they have to beat out the QBs you will be facing in playoff games and in the Superbowl.
FireChan Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 Don't get hung up on the top 10 thing. It's more the knowledge that they are very average QBs who will never win a Superbowl. You need a lot more than what they have to beat out the QBs you will be facing in playoff games and in the Superbowl. Okay. I figured you meant top 10 figuratively, I just had to make sure. Let's talk average QB's. The Dalton's, Smith's, Kaep's and Tanehill's of the world. Do those guys fulfill that definition of average for you? Also, if I said that in their prime, they'll make the playoffs 30-40% of the time, would you agree with that?
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Okay. I figured you meant top 10 figuratively, I just had to make sure. Let's talk average QB's. The Dalton's, Smith's, Kaep's and Tanehill's of the world. Do those guys fulfill that definition of average for you? Also, if I said that in their prime, they'll make the playoffs 30-40% of the time, would you agree with that? Kaepernick's not an "average" IMO. He's an unpredictable QB with a specific skill set that could actually win you playoff games against top QBs. Dalton, Smith and Tannehill just do not bring enough to the big games to ever win you a Superbowl. They will win you enough regular season games to make everybody just happy enough, they just won't ever have that pot of gold to look forward to with those guys.
Beerball Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Why is this even a question? Because the OP put one of these "?" at the end of the sentence.
LedyardCTbillsfan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I would but would not want to take on the contract he'll get in 2016.
FireChan Posted March 14, 2015 Author Posted March 14, 2015 Kaepernick's not an "average" IMO. He's an unpredictable QB with a specific skill set that could actually win you playoff games against top QBs. Dalton, Smith and Tannehill just do not bring enough to the big games to ever win you a Superbowl. They will win you enough regular season games to make everybody just happy enough, they just won't ever have that pot of gold to look forward to with those guys. Okay, I'll take Kaep out. Would you be okay with saying that Dalton/Smith/Tanny make the playoffs 30-40% of the time?
Section242 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) This poll's sole purpose is to help provide a steady beat down of EJ Manuel for the like-minded haters like yourself. The sad thing is that you're using a loser Dolphin QB like Tannehill to help trash EJ. Manuel's ceiling is unknown right now. Tannehill's ceiling is becoming established as an average QB like Alex Smith or Andy Dalton who wilts under pressure in big games. I'd rather roll the dice on an unknown QB like Manuel than a known Smith or Dalton type. Tannehill 48 games - 5 game winning drives Manuel 14 games - 3 game winning drives (should have been 4 thanks to Chandler's fumble) Miami can keep that loser. I'll roll with EJ and if he doesn't work out, I'll find another QB next year either through the draft or a trade. Whichever way it goes it won't be hard to find a QB with a much higher ceiling than Tannehill. They've been looking for a QB since Kelly retired. They've found other and new QB's just none that are any good. Edited March 15, 2015 by Section242
LedyardCTbillsfan Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 It will be interesting to see what happens to EJ. Rex said he would like to see him run more, will EJ play the Kaep role in SF's offense for us ?
billsfan_34 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 This is stupid and another sad attempt to put EJ down. Of course at this point, you have to take Tannehll. But here's their first 4 games last year: Tannehll - 93/ 155, 60%, 902 yards, 5.8 ypa, 6 tds, 3 ints, 2 fumbles, 0 rushing tds. W-L: 2-2 http://www.nfl.com/player/ryantannehill/2532956/gamelogs Manuel - 76/131, 58%, 838 yards, 6.4 ypa, 5 tds, 3 ints, 1 fumble, 1 rushing td. W-L: 2-2 http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/gamelogs Seems like 2 young qbs who got off to very similar starts. Except our gutless coach benched our guy and the Miami coaches, despite whining by fans and media, stuck with Tannehill. And he improved. Tannehill has Aaron Rodgers' old OC and a guy from Chip Kelly's staff. We had guys who worked with Ryan Nassib in the Big East who turned a 9-7 record into assistant coaches jobs with the Jags. But there is one place EJ is clearly ahead of him. He's one and zero versus him. In fact, the only Bills QB to lose to Tannehill is the veteran upgrade and your hero Kyle Orton. ^This
BarleyNY Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Not a huge Tanny fan, but yeah. Without hesitation.
LB3 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) I'm just glad I'm not the only one anymore. When it was 28 - 1, I was questioning my sanity. Edit: Still kind of am. Edited March 15, 2015 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall
Solomon Grundy Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Okay, I'll take Kaep out. Would you be okay with saying that Dalton/Smith/Tanny make the playoffs 30-40% of the time? It's not because of them, specifically. It would be mainly because of their supporting cast. Kind of like what Rex/Whaley are trying to do here in Buffalo. Reference the free agent acquisitions
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