Will the Bills ever sign Charles Clay?

[Wayne Cubed]

 

Since 2011:

Clay: 58 GP, 161 rec, 1,809 yds, 14 TDs

Chandler: 60 GP, 181 rec, 2,112 yds, 17 TDs

 

Have a great day.

 

Oh great point... Nice to include Clay's rookie year in there, which by the way was still better than Chandlers 1st year in the league. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we?

 

First 4 years in the NFL:

Clay: 58 GP, 161 rec, 1,809 yds, 14 TDs

Chandler: 4 GP, 1 rec, 8 yds, 0 TDs

 

EDIT: Also you were the one that said he was unproven, are you trying to suggest Chandler isn't either? If so I'm not sure why you are posting Chandler's stats.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Wayne Cubed

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

WTF were the Bills thinking not putting the transition tag on Chandler last year when he was a FA. Look at those stats.

page 30. new thread time Yolo? :lol:

[chris heff]

I'm still in the bushes out side of Terry and Kim's. Nothing to report.

[YoloinOhio]

page 30. new thread time Yolo? :lol:

i'm getting there considering we have the pottery scene from Ghost and claymation football at this point.

I'm still in the bushes out side of Terry and Kim's. Nothing to report.

Clay isn't there for an overnight in his PJs and slippers? Disappointed! Only Rex has gotten this treatment so far.

[negativo]

I hope it's not 8 million for a marginal increase in run blocking skills

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

[YoloinOhio]

[Wayne Cubed]

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

 

Thought we were getting an unproven TE.

[r00tabaga]

A wash?? You are part-tarded my friend. You should watch more football.

Edited March 16, 2015 by r00tabaga

[JM57]

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

Height and weight have nothing to do with blocking ability. It's about having good technique and willingness to win.

 

By your logic, Erik Pears is 6'8 so I guess he's a better blocker than Eric Wood at 6'3

Edited March 16, 2015 by JM57

[thebandit27]

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

 

Here, just in case you missed it:

 

 

 

Oh great point... Nice to include Clay's rookie year in there, which by the way was still better than Chandlers 1st year in the league. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we?

 

First 4 years in the NFL:

Clay: 58 GP, 161 rec, 1,809 yds, 14 TDs

Chandler: 4 GP, 1 rec, 8 yds, 0 TDs

 

EDIT: Also you were the one that said he was unproven, are you trying to suggest Chandler isn't either? If so I'm not sure why you are posting Chandler's stats.

[nucci]

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

Have you ever seen Clay play? The comparisons to Chandler are no longer funny. Just absolutely ridiculous.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

 

Not even sure about the marginal increase as a blocker. He's a converted FB who was considered more of a receiving TE with below average blocking skills. He's 4" shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Chandler.

 

Not saying I don't want him, just reminding those who disliked Chandler so much, and think Clay is the 2nd coming, need to understand we're probably getting a wash at TE in this swap...if that.

Yeah. I am basically in the same camp as you. I don't know too much about clay's blocking but I will believe the reports that he is better at chandler in that regard. Chandler was a bad blocker, really bad. I just don't get the hype.

Edited March 16, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever

[YoloinOhio]

Have you ever seen Clay play? The comparisons to Chandler are no longer funny. Just absolutely ridiculous.

They are completely different players. People keep using stats to compare but that's like saying Kyle Orton threw for 400 against Denver so he is totally the same as Andrew Luck.

[Justice]

 

Since 2011:

Clay: 58 GP, 161 rec, 1,809 yds, 14 TDs

Chandler: 60 GP, 181 rec, 2,112 yds, 17 TDs

 

Have a great day.

Clay is a much better fit in Roman's scheme than Chandler.

[negativo]

Yeah. I am basically in the same camp as you. I don't know too much about clay's blocking but I will believe the reports that he is better at chandler in that regard. Chandler was a bad blocker, really bad. I just don't get the hype.

 

He may blossom into a true star, or he may remain a 2nd tier TE at the Chandler level. Clay runs tougher than Chandler after the catch, but Chandler is a bigger target who can also stretch the field. People are excited by the new toy possibilities, which is great, but this swap would not appreciably change the quality of our offense IMO.

[YoloinOhio]

 

He may blossom into a true star, or he may remain a 2nd tier TE at the Chandler level. Clay runs tougher than Chandler after the catch, but Chandler is a bigger target who can also stretch the field. People are excited by the new toy possibilities, which is great, but this swap would not appreciably change the quality of our offense IMO.

Maybe not if it was Marrone's offense. If you have ever watched Roman's, he wants a complete TE who can run block and catch the ball, and present matchup issues. Chandler does only one of those things. He wasn't a fit for the new scheme. In that same vein, neither was Jordan Cameron.

[Justice]

 

He may blossom into a true star, or he may remain a 2nd tier TE at the Chandler level. Clay runs tougher than Chandler after the catch, but Chandler is a bigger target who can also stretch the field. People are excited by the new toy possibilities, which is great, but this swap would not appreciably change the quality of our offense IMO.

Can't say I agree. Teams will have to account for McCoy, Harvin and Sammy on every down. In Miami Clay was the number one or two option. He'll be a lot better with us.

[negativo]

Maybe not if it was Marrone's offense. If you have ever watched Roman's, he wants a complete TE who can run block and catch the ball, and present matchup issues. Chandler does only one of those things. He wasn't a fit for the new scheme. In that same vein, neither was Jordan Cameron.

 

Contrary to the opinions of many on this board, Clay is not a very good blocker. I live in South Florida, and his blocking ability has always been the knock on his game. See below...

 

BLEACHER REPORT: Clay is not a reliable blocker, as he’s more of a fullback/tight end hybrid player. He finished 2013 with a run-blocking grade of -5.0, according to Pro Football Focus (subscription required). That grade left Clay as the 52nd-best blocking tight end in the league. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2286991-has-dion-sims-made-charles-clay-expendable-moving-forward

Edited March 16, 2015 by negativo

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Oh great point... Nice to include Clay's rookie year in there, which by the way was still better than Chandlers 1st year in the league. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we?

 

First 4 years in the NFL:

Clay: 58 GP, 161 rec, 1,809 yds, 14 TDs

Chandler: 4 GP, 1 rec, 8 yds, 0 TDs

 

EDIT: Also you were the one that said he was unproven, are you trying to suggest Chandler isn't either? If so I'm not sure why you are posting Chandler's stats.

I don't know Wayne their stats say that they are similar players. I can't believe that Bills fans are so enamored with this converted fullback when they had a productive TE in Chandler. They let him go to the Patriots of all places so that he can haunt us twice a year!! (I'm working on my troll game)

[nucci]

Clay is not being signed for his blocking abilities. He is a very good receiver and the Bills envision a lineup of Sammy, Woods, Harvin, McCoy, and Clay....lots of speed and quickness on the field.

I don't know Wayne their stats say that they are similar players. I can't believe that Bills fans are so enamored with this converted fullback when they had a productive TE in Chandler. They let him go to the Patriots of all places so that he can haunt us twice a year!! (I'm working on my troll game)

Well done. little more practice and you're there