4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I'm generally happy with the off-season. But the Harvin signing puzzles me. Why do we rent an oft-injured, oft-clueless WR when we don't have a franchise QB who can get him the ball? For a reported $6 million for 1 year? They say past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. If true, Harvin won't even crack the starting lineup. Either he'll be benched by the coaches for something dumb, or he'll get hurt, or he'll bench himself. Under the circumstances, wouldn't it have been wiser to pay Chandler his $2 mil than give Harvin his $6 mil? Now we're loaded at wideout but extremely thin at TE having also lost Lee Smith. The hiring of Rex and Roman, and the signing of Shady, all say we're building a ground-and-pound offense. Where does flaky Harvin fit in? Aren't TEs more important in ground-and-pound offense than WRs who don't like to block? How about if we use Harvin in the wildcat? The brad Smith role? Lord knows until someone steps up at qb the less that group does the better.
Ittakestime Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Found it interesting that Harvin was the 7th best free agent on NFL.com's list. The guy is a supreme talent.
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Found it interesting that Harvin was the 7th best free agent on NFL.com's list. The guy is a supreme talent.a supreme idiot too - but given our spot and this deal, i can stomach it. theres a reason that after being banned from VA HS athletics he still went to an SEC powerhouse and after choke slamming his coach and being small for a WR he was still a first rounder and after all his arguments and health drama and... he was a 1st plus picks plus MONSTER contract for seattle the guy is DYNAMITE with the ball in his hands. and will give us another one of the rare guys that can run past nfl speed. there arent a lot of guys that widen the gap once they get a step on a guy in a footrace and hes one and hes not afraid to take a hit. Edited March 14, 2015 by NoSaint
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Guys with immense talent will continue to be signed. Mike Vick was handed a 100 mill contract a couple years after doing time in prison for murdering dogs. If Harvin wasn't a little bit crazy then he would not be here. We wouldn't have a chance. He's probably a d-bag but that's why he's on a 1 year deal. I'm guessing Rex didn't have many issues with him last year. Edited March 14, 2015 by YoloinOhio
JohnC Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 a supreme idiot too - but given our spot and this deal, i can stomach it. theres a reason that after being banned from VA HS athletics he still went to an SEC powerhouse and after choke slamming his coach and being small for a WR he was still a first rounder and after all his arguments and health drama and... he was a 1st plus picks plus MONSTER contract for seattle the guy is DYNAMITE with the ball in his hands. and will give us another one of the rare guys that can run past nfl speed. there arent a lot of guys that widen the gap once they get a step on a guy in a footrace and hes one and hes not afraid to take a hit. Pete Carroll is one of the most player friendly coaches in the game. He will go to the max in trying to relate to his players and will do everything he can to accommodate players. Even he had to dispatch him from the team in order to prevent him from irretrievably poisioning the locker room. Marshawn Lynch is a challenging personality for outsders to deal with. But within the team and the locker room his teammates admired and loved him. They were more than willing to tolerate his foibles. Harvin is a different brand of person. Wherever he goes he is reviled by the staff and his teammates are less than fond of him. There is a collective sense of relief when he is gone. When your behavior pattern in HS, college and with multipe pro teams is repeated then you have to conclude (obviously) that he is what he is. It is understandable why organizations are willing to be enticed by his scintillating talents, but there should be no surprise when he reverts to his problematic behavior. In one respect I am excited by his acquisition; on the other hand I am very wary of it. For me, on balance it is worth the gamble. But it must be acknowledged that for this type of combustible person the clock is always ticking before the predictable explosion happens.
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Pete Carroll is one of the most player friendly coaches in the game. He will go to the max in trying to relate to his players and will do everything he can to accommodate players. Even he had to dispatch him from the team in order to prevent him from irretrievably poisioning the locker room. Marshawn Lynch is a challenging personality for outsders to deal with. But within the team and the locker room his teammates admired and loved him. They were more than willing to tolerate his foibles. Harvin is a different brand of person. Wherever he goes he is reviled by the staff and his teammates are less than fond of him. There is a collective sense of relief when he is gone. When your behavior pattern in HS, college and with multipe pro teams is repeated then you have to conclude (obviously) that he is what he is. It is understandable why organizations are willing to be enticed by his scintillating talents, but there should be no surprise when he reverts to his problematic behavior. In one respect I am excited by his acquisition; on the other hand I am very wary of it. For me, on balance it is worth the gamble. But it must be acknowledged that for this type of combustible person the clock is always ticking before the predictable explosion happens. as long as we dont commit to him long term - hes a bit of an outsider to a degree. Who follows the mercenary as their leader? Hes a Bill for 8.5 months currently, and if he can fracture our locker room in that time --- it wasnt that strong. he also has a lot of incentive to stay quiet without a penny guaranteed next year. that said, the incentive has been there before and its never swayed him. if we turn around and give him the big contract like santonio and the jets - id be much more concerned.
Agent 91 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 True. This team needs a guard, but just as importantly, they need a proper right tackle. Henderson isn`t going to cut it. You gather Henderson is no good off of 1 season as a 7th rounder? Come on man!
Lurker Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 he also has a lot of incentive to stay quiet without a penny guaranteed next year. Agreed. If he becomes a problem, he's gone. If he doesn't, he's a huge weapon. I don't see a downside.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I would't have liked this with Marrone still here. Or as of three days ago for that matter. But as it's become more apparent that the Dolphins were going all out to keep Clay,no matter the cost, picking a dynamic playmaker on a show me deal is a pretty good consolation prize. In particular, I'm curious to see what Roman can do with him. He already has a blueprint of what Seattle did to great effect, and where Roman has had his greatest innovations has been in creating overloaded situations on run plays. With Felton as a lead blocker, and Shady in the backfield, EJ under center and Harvin on the jet sweep, all working on the zone read? That's a number of variables that Roman must be drooling over. Interesting reading: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/16/5315666/jet-sweep-inside-zone-college-football
Flutie Flakes Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I do not see any downside to Harvin's signing. One year deal to test the waters with this guy. Also keeps him away from *NE. He must have behaved well enough last season for Rex to want him back and gives us another weapon in our arsenal. Need a OG (wanted to see them bring in the guy from Atlanta, but sounds like he may go to St. Louis) and draft a few o-linemen for depth.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Where is the 6 M number coming from? Rapoport apparently. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2392401-percy-harvin-to-bills-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction But initially they reported Incognito's deal as $2.5M which is almost 2.5x what it actually is. So I'm trying not to get too freaked until we actually know the numbers.
SoulMan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Not in love with this. Don't know if I would even like at $3m. Starting to feel like Dan Snyder.
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Not in love with this. Don't know if I would even like at $3m. Starting to feel like Dan Snyder. except he fits the plan pretty well instead of being an expensive contradiction
Deranged Rhino Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 except he fits the plan pretty well instead of being an expensive contradiction Details...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Not in love with this. Don't know if I would even like at $3m. Starting to feel like Dan Snyder. Harvin isn't a Snyder move. It's a 1 year deal. Who cares. Being myopic giving up draft picks and spending large sums of money on long term guaranteed contracts in FA is Snyder. McCoy is the most Snyder move of the bunch! Edited March 14, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever
3rdand12 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 That highlight video has me sold. This guy is a serious threat all day. If the Bills can execute some blocks this year?The weapons are just stupid good.and i was Not a fan of the signing, just like I was McCoy. now i am all aboard !
LedyardCTbillsfan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Is the 6M after incentives or just base salary?
QCity Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 except he fits the plan pretty well instead of being an expensive contradiction Harvin fits a ground and pound offense? By that rationale, what type of offense wouldn't he fit in?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Harvin fits a ground and pound offense? By that rationale, what type of offense wouldn't he fit in? Now you're starting to see why he's a valued commodity even with the character red flags.
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