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[closed]Bills interested in TE Charles Clay--update: F5 and stuff


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In Clay's case, it's Miami, there is no state income tax, and he's getting $6M/year. I'd stay if I were him as well.

It's funny everyone talks about places like miami and San Diego, yet they both are kinda whatever teams. Like has Miami been any better than us the last five years?

 

I don't think the Miami thing carries that much weight IMO.

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with the jock tax they pay taxes on where they play the games so a non state tax state has half their game checks, just home games, without state tax plus any others they end up being scheduled. Teams in other states with state tax can make them whole with bonuses, etc. If it's an issue. The Bills even played 3 games in FL in 2013 the way the schedule worked out. I think it's a bigger deal with NBA and MLB because their contracts are so much bigger.

 

Thanks I wasn't familiar with the jock tax. Still not peanuts, though.

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It's funny everyone talks about places like miami and San Diego, yet they both are kinda whatever teams. Like has Miami been any better than us the last five years?

 

I don't think the Miami thing carries that much weight IMO.

 

no one argues they are well run, simply they have a perk we dont. additionally for better or worse - some guys want to take their talent to south beach. the flip side being is that the type of guy you want as a cornerstone?

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I'm curious about this as well. Given the varying state income tax laws it does seem as though certain franchises gain a distinct (and unfair) advantage in recruitment.

I just did the quick math and it is about 200k/year difference between buffalo and miami depending on how the bonuses are paid out - also must account for (shocking marginally) higher property taxes down there.. You have to remember that you get taxed in the state that you play - not just your home state.

 

Edited for property taxes comment - holy crap you guys pay a ton in property taxes up there.

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no one argues they are well run, simply they have a perk we dont. additionally for better or worse - some guys want to take their talent to south beach. the flip side being is that the type of guy you want as a cornerstone?

As you say, the guys that would pick Miami/ SD instead of a better football situation in Green Bay for example because of other factors, probably aren't the guys you want on your team. Mike Wallace seems like he falls into that camp.

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As you say, the guys that would pick Miami/ SD instead of a better football situation in Green Bay for example because of other factors, probably aren't the guys you want on your team. Mike Wallace seems like he falls into that camp.

like i said, im sure it can cut both ways.... some of the most arrogant, me first guys around have been absolute superstars, unlike the underperforming wallace. just like any team, those GMs have to get the right fits. whether they choose for weather, or minor pay difference or.... there are a lot of "selfish" reasons.... you just have to make sure you are getting the right guy, regardless of what steers him.

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like i said, im sure it can cut both ways.... some of the most arrogant, me first guys around have been absolute superstars, unlike the underperforming wallace. just like any team, those GMs have to get the right fits. whether they choose for weather, or minor pay difference or.... there are a lot of "selfish" reasons.... you just have to make sure you are getting the right guy, regardless of what steers him.

This is a huge part of recruiting IMO. The Bills over the last handful of years have had a better understanding of what type of players make sense. They have gone for a less needy, family oriented type of player that may be attracted to WNY. The schools are good for their kids, real estate is cheap and the facilities are first class. The families are treated the same way. The Bills have sought players that are wired more like Freddie than Willis. Buffalo is appealing to people like that.

 

UPDATE: Right after I typed this all of the CJ wants to be back stuff started coming out. He is a great example of the type of guy that fits in perfectly in WNY.

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He's most likely not getting 6m/yr if he stays with Miami. That's what he wants, and he probably can get that or more if he goes to FA. Miami only has about 4m in cap space and still needs to sign Odrick, I don't think the stars are aligned for him there unless he takes a hometown discount. They aren't a winning team so that usually doesn't happen.

Does that also not include the draft? Last year at that spot the Bears paid 2.2M in cap space for Fuller. Between all those picks, would they have any space left?

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It looks like there are a lot of people they can cut for savings, but if it means having them cut Cameron Wake to keep clay...

or they could turn one of several guys salaries into signing bonus and shift it down the line if they are really into keeping clay.

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Damn, Brian Hartline released. Probably so they can sign Clay. :censored:

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 54s54 seconds ago

Dolphins to release WR Brian Hartline, avoiding his $5.9 million salary http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Iul

 

Well isn't that a convenient number. Sigh.

What I like is Tannehill couldn't win with a bunch of help. Now they have to release players so they can sign others which makes the team worse.

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@AlbertBreer: The transition tag for Dolphins TE Charles Clay (@AdamSchefter 1st reported) is officially filed.

 

@AlbertBreer: Transition tags have been used sparsely since the Steve Hutchinson/poison pill deal. Matching rights, no comp. Clay's tender is $7.071M.

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