BrooklynBills Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 I love what Fred brings in regards to intangibles, but forgetting all that, and strictly speaking in regards to on-field play, how could anyone think that he's not better than Bryce Brown? I don't understand the front office wanting to cut him, especially if they are in "win now" mode. His salary is paltry in the grand scheme of things. His salary is not paltry.
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 His salary is not paltry. for a second or third (or 4th) back, its not, but i think he meant in the grand scheme of us still generally having a ton of space and fred having no future hits to worry about beyond this year.
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 15m15 minutes ago Based on text I just got from #Bills source, Whaley won't be pumped if team is forced to cut Bryce Brown after he traded for him year ago. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 13m13 minutes ago Same source continued with "a few suitors are lining up to pick up Fred if he's cut." Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 4m4 minutes ago *Jibes* w/ @ByTimGraham tweet re: Pegula intervening. From football standpoint, #Bills ready to move on. But owner technically has final say Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 1m1 minute ago Source did not tell me #Bills *will definitely* cut Bryce Brown if FJax stays. But it could lead to that, which Whaley wouldn't love.
Rob's House Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Think its pretty obvious Pegula stopped this from happening. We aren't insiders, all we can do is say what we have been told Some people are jeally because they don't have any sources so it makes them feel better to put down or disbelieve those who do.
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 3m3 minutes ago As I tweeted earlier, Jackson's had a relatively remarkable career with #Bills, but IMO cutting him would probably be best for organization.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 We have no real proof Fred was going to be cut, they could have been discussing the pros and cons, as well as who if anyone could replace him. They could have been saying he's not worth 2.7 because of Shady, but how much are his intangibles worth to the team and lockerroom and sideline, something that is immeasurable. If Terry walked in and said, "I want to keep Fred, he means a lot to this city," I would think that is meddling and I wouldn't like him making decisions on personnel like that. If, however, he walked in and said, "Let's talk about this. He may not be worth 2.7, but who is he preventing us from getting, and playing. I think he adds something to our team as a whole. If that 2.7m is keeping us from getting a starting OG or TE, okay, do what you have to do. But if that 2.7 is really just going to be whether Fred is worth 2.7 or not, I'd like to pay him." I wouldn't really be abject to that.
Lurker Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 15m15 minutes ago Based on text I just got from #Bills source, Whaley won't be pumped if team is forced to cut Bryce Brown after he traded for him year ago. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 13m13 minutes ago Same source continued with "a few suitors are lining up to pick up Fred if he's cut." Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 4m4 minutes ago *Jibes* w/ @ByTimGraham tweet re: Pegula intervening. From football standpoint, #Bills ready to move on. But owner technically has final say Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 1m1 minute ago Source did not tell me #Bills *will definitely* cut Bryce Brown if FJax stays. But it could lead to that, which Whaley wouldn't love. I don't see Brown factoring into this at all. More likely, it's a "you want to dump Fredie for Bilal effen Powell? Why swap a dollar for a buck?"
Fadingpain Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 We have no real proof Fred was going to be cut, they could have been discussing the pros and cons, as well as who if anyone could replace him. They could have been saying he's not worth 2.7 because of Shady, but how much are his intangibles worth to the team and lockerroom and sideline, something that is immeasurable. If Terry walked in and said, "I want to keep Fred, he means a lot to this city," I would think that is meddling and I wouldn't like him making decisions on personnel like that. If, however, he walked in and said, "Let's talk about this. He may not be worth 2.7, but who is he preventing us from getting, and playing. I think he adds something to our team as a whole. If that 2.7m is keeping us from getting a starting OG or TE, okay, do what you have to do. But if that 2.7 is really just going to be whether Fred is worth 2.7 or not, I'd like to pay him." I wouldn't really be abject to that. Based on everything I know about Pegula as Sabres owner, I would say your latter scenario is the likely one. If he intervenes at all that is.
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 We have no real proof Fred was going to be cut, they could have been discussing the pros and cons, as well as who if anyone could replace him. They could have been saying he's not worth 2.7 because of Shady, but how much are his intangibles worth to the team and lockerroom and sideline, something that is immeasurable. If Terry walked in and said, "I want to keep Fred, he means a lot to this city," I would think that is meddling and I wouldn't like him making decisions on personnel like that. If, however, he walked in and said, "Let's talk about this. He may not be worth 2.7, but who is he preventing us from getting, and playing. I think he adds something to our team as a whole. If that 2.7m is keeping us from getting a starting OG or TE, okay, do what you have to do. But if that 2.7 is really just going to be whether Fred is worth 2.7 or not, I'd like to pay him." I wouldn't really be abject to that. i agree with the sentiment of this. the way presented thus far suggests the former, but the way presented may be far from accurate as many of the loudest are the ones i often question.
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 I don't see Brown factoring into this at all. More likely, it's a "you want to dump Fredie for Bilal effen Powell? Why swap a dollar for a buck?" I think Brown will stay as well.
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Adam Benigni @AdamBenigni 2m2 minutes ago Source: #Bills will keep Fred Jackson. Told releasing him was not option. Contract re-structure was/is @wgrz
Lurker Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 If, however, he walked in and said, "Let's talk about this. He may not be worth 2.7, but who is he preventing us from getting, and playing. I think he adds something to our team as a whole. If that 2.7m is keeping us from getting a starting OG or TE, okay, do what you have to do. But if that 2.7 is really just going to be whether Fred is worth 2.7 or not, I'd like to pay him." I wouldn't really be abject to that. If the FO saw this as just a money decision, I'm sure Pegs had to remind them that money does't matter anymore. Whaley and Rex may have to be 'reprogramed' to that approach after years of working for other NFL owners...
Magox Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 long story short, its different because in this instance you like it essentially your argument is that you think that the fans and terry know more about fred jackson and the locker room than our GM and/or coach..... which is possible. sometimes even the great ones flub decisions, but thats essentially the argument here when not danced around? Actually, to be honest, as unpopular as my opinion may be, I wouldn't mind giving Bryce and Boobie the nod. Or for that matter, whoever Rex and co. would like in that position. My personal belief is that the first year the new coach should for the most part have the toys and pieces he'd like to make his vision work. Last year it seemed quite apparent to me that Freddy was quickly regressing and I don't see how that slide doesn't continue. In regards to your second point, yeah, for the most part that's what I was saying in this instance. Not so much purely on the football aspect of it, but if this rumor and narrative is to be believed, maybe a part of the decision was to make the fans happy and more importantly treat one of our most revered players in modern Bills history with respect and dignity. After all, how much better would Bilal Powell be than even a declining Jackson? At most, minimal, right?
Kelly the Dog Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 If this is true I'm glad. We are likely never going to get the real story on this, or perhaps I should say unless I hear it from a very, very reliable source that this is 100% true off the record, I will not believe anything as gospel. If they were going to cut him and Terry stepped in, everyone on the Bills would say that was never the case, we were never going to cut him, we love Fred.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Adam Benigni @AdamBenigni 2m2 minutes ago Source: #Bills will keep Fred Jackson. Told releasing him was not option. Contract re-structure was/is @wgrz This whole thing is weird. Why did they even bother adding another year to his deal? I always assumed he would play this one year out and retire.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) If the FO saw this as just a money decision, I'm sure Pegs had to remind them that money does't matter anymore. Whaley and Rex may have to be 'reprogramed' to that approach after years of working for other NFL owners... You also don't want to waste money. It's a tough business for tough people. Fred is a unique example. And it gets sticky if, say, we can get a 6m OG but not an 8m OG (if of course we really think the 8m is better and better value). IF Pegula stepped in and meddled and stopped it, and I don't know either way if he did, Leroi's report could have been 100% true at the time. Edited March 10, 2015 by Beerball
GG Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Actually, to be honest, as unpopular as my opinion may be, I wouldn't mind giving Bryce and Boobie the nod. Or for that matter, whoever Rex and co. would like in that position. My personal belief is that the first year the new coach should for the most part have the toys and pieces he'd like to make his vision work. Last year it seemed quite apparent to me that Freddy was quickly regressing and I don't see how that slide doesn't continue. In regards to your second point, yeah, for the most part that's what I was saying in this instance. Not so much purely on the football aspect of it, but if this rumor and narrative is to be believed, maybe a part of the decision was to make the fans happy and more importantly treat one of our most revered players in modern Bills history with respect and dignity. After all, how much better would Bilal Powell be than even a declining Jackson? At most, minimal, right? I discussed this last night in light of the Powell rumors - would Powell be an upgrade to Fred or was this a salary cap move? I don't think Powell would be an upgrade, but would be more cost effective. Bills should redo Freddie's deal, keep him for one more year and get a replacement next year.
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Adam Benigni @AdamBenigni 7m7 minutes ago Source: Told Bilal Powell remains FA option for Buffalo, but not at expense of @Fred22Jackson @wgrz
negativo Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Hope we get the double dose of good news that Brown will be traded/cut and Freddy retained. From strictly a football perspective, Brown is a terrible running back who shouldn't waste the roster spot of a more deserving player. Powell would be a better choice because he can both provide speed depth at RB and contribute to special teams, where Brown is strictly a back, and not a good one at that.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 You also don't want to waste money. It's a tough business for tough people. Fred is a unique example. And it gets sticky if, say, we can get a 6m OG but not an 8m OG (if of course we really think the 8m is better and better value). IF Pegula stepped in and meddled and stopped it, and I don't know either way if he did, Leroi's report could have been 100% true at the time. Agree, if they axe ej i will be born again and accept him as the savior.
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