Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Not to mention that Rex saw the Bills live twice against the Jets and our LBers sans Kiko kicked his ass.
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2015 Author Posted March 5, 2015 I really hope they get David Harris. I think Rex maybe wasn't a fan of Kiko's over pursuit on run plays and often reckless play.
K-9 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I said yesterday that Rex had to have signed-off on the trade. Now it seems he orchestrated it. Rex orchestrated the Eagles getting on the phone and calling teams around the league to gauge interest in McCoy? I can't buy that. I can certainly buy Rex being OK with it though. GO BILLS!!!
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Sooooo hoooooommmmmmm by that metric, would you say the players are the ones in power on the team since many of them make more than the coaches? Just following the logic trail. By some measure, GM of an NFL team is and always has been a service position, but there has to be a brake on the coaches too. That's not it at all. Whenever bigtime coaches come in, they tend to possess a lot of power. This isn't chan gailey (a creature of the gm when he was hired here) that we're talking about. Do you really think the gm in new england has any power over belichick? Whaley going into this offseason was skating on very thin ice (that's not meant as a criticism of him), and the owner just paid the coach $27 million. Whaley is most likely a valued functionary in a rex ryan organization. He doesn't have the juice of the niners' gm, which led to a bad situation in sf; rather, he's second in command. Which ain't necessarily a bad thing if they have a good relationship and are on the same page.I think that Rex came in and told Doug he wanted to trade Kiko because he didn't fit the scheme and they could probably get a good pick or player in return, Doug pressed the flesh at the Combine and let it be known Kiko was on the block, and then when the Eagles approached McCoy about a paycut and he refused, and instead of cutting him outright, they called Doug and he made the trade. Makes good sense to me.
Doc Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Rex orchestrated the Eagles getting on the phone and calling teams around the league to gauge interest in McCoy? I can't buy that. I can certainly buy Rex being OK with it though. GO BILLS!!! No, I meant he set it in motion by telling Doug he wanted to trade Kiko. And then Doug started networking at the Combine.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 That's not it at all. Whenever bigtime coaches come in, they tend to possess a lot of power. This isn't chan gailey (a creature of the gm when he was hired here) that we're talking about. Do you really think the gm in new england has any power over belichick? Whaley going into this offseason was skating on very thin ice (that's not meant as a criticism of him), and the owner just paid the coach $27 million. Whaley is most likely a valued functionary in a rex ryan organization. He doesn't have the juice of the niners' gm, which led to a bad situation in sf; rather, he's second in command. Which ain't necessarily a bad thing if they have a good relationship and are on the same page. Makes good sense to me. Rex should have all say on defensive personnel. He should have very little say in offensive personnel.
Beef Jerky Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Rex knows and this defense did well without Kiko. Edited March 5, 2015 by Beef Jerky
K-9 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 No, I meant he set it in motion by telling Doug he wanted to trade Kiko. And then Doug started networking at the Combine. Ah, gotcha. I think that's plausible. GO BILLS!!!
Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 That's not it at all. Whenever bigtime coaches come in, they tend to possess a lot of power. This isn't chan gailey (a creature of the gm when he was hired here) that we're talking about. Do you really think the gm in new england has any power over belichick? Whaley going into this offseason was skating on very thin ice (that's not meant as a criticism of him), and the owner just paid the coach $27 million. Whaley is most likely a valued functionary in a rex ryan organization. He doesn't have the juice of the niners' gm, which led to a bad situation in sf; rather, he's second in command. Which ain't necessarily a bad thing if they have a good relationship and are on the same page. Makes good sense to me. Whaley was the one that convinced the Pegulas to call Rex in. Over the course of 2-3 weeks Whaley never left their side. He didn't even go home one day. He said he went all that time without seeing his daughter once. Over those three weeks he very much impressed the Pegulas and got a ton of credibility with them. He's not on any thin ice whatsoever and probably has significantly more power now than he did last year with Marrone and Brandon.
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Rex should have all say on defensive personnel. He should have very little say in offensive personnel. You're preaching to the choir. That said, whaley has to step up his game in offensive evaluation. The line selections in both fa and the draft have been really bad. Incidentally, my son conducts a weekly beatdown of me for defending the watkins trade up (which i still do) because he lives in nyc and sees beckham all of the time. He thinks i'm a fool for defending the trade. Edited March 5, 2015 by dave mcbride
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2015 Author Posted March 5, 2015 You're preaching to the choir. That said, whaley has to step up his game in offensive evaluation. The line selectns in both fa and the daft have been really bad. Incidentally, my son conducts a weekly beatdown of me for defending the watkins trade up (which i still do) because he lives in nyc and sees beckham all of the time. He thinks i'm a fool for defending the trade.are you JTSP's dad?!
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Whaley was the one that convinced the Pegulas to call Rex in. Over the course of 2-3 weeks Whaley never left their side. He didn't even go home one day. He said he went all that time without seeing his daughter once. Over those three weeks he very much impressed the Pegulas and got a ton of credibility with them. He's not on any thin ice whatsoever and probably has significantly more power now than he did last year with Marrone and Brandon. I read that afterward too. Do I believe that story, which seems to have come straight from the Bills' Ministry of Propaganda? No, not really. One really shouldn't be too credulous of those puff pieces; it's a dog eat dog league. The pegulas were apparently set on hiring polian two weeks before, and he would have fired whaley in a new york minute. that is a fact. Anyway, i do hope that ryan and whaley can get along, and at present I'm optimistic. We shall see. As you said, it's the honeymoon period.
Green Lightning Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I think Doc has it right. Rex says I could live without the guy and DW works a deal, That's how it is supposed to work and I hope it continues. So now DW has to show some expertise and get us help on the OL.
maddenboy Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 One of the first things Rex wanted to do was find a way to get David Harris in a Bills uni to QB his defense. That doesn't mean getting rid of Kiko. Well reasoned post. But I think Rexy wants thumpers. Kiko, even if he put on another 8-10 pounds, just isnt the thumper type.
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 are you JTSP's dad?! Aha. I see. I go years and years of (mostly) defending bad management and highlighting the few good players on the team, and once i offer a modicum of very, very measured criticism, I'm somehow a "doomed" sort. The world ain't that black and white, and neither am I.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I read that afterward too. Do I believe that story, which seems to have come straight from the Bills' Ministry of Propaganda? No, not really. One really shouldn't be too credulous of those puff pieces; it's a dog eat dog league. The pegulas were apparently set on hiring polian two weeks before, and he would have fired whaley in a new york minute. that is a fact. Anyway, i do hope that ryan and whaley can get along, and at present I'm optimistic. We shall see. As you said, it's the honeymoon period. Tell me what part you do not believe please.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 You're preaching to the choir. That said, whaley has to step up his game in offensive evaluation. The line selectns in both fa and the daft have been really bad. Incidentally, my son conducts a weekly beatdown of me for defending the watkins trade up (which i still do) because he lives in nyc and sees beckham all of the time. He thinks i'm a fool for defending the trade.How much do you think the offensive linemen selections were hand picked by the new offensive line guru of the Jags? I did hate the Bryce Brown trade.
Doc Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Rex should have all say on defensive personnel. He should have very little say in offensive personnel. Well, if he is in charge of personnel, he's done a good job getting RI and LM. I think Doc has it right. Rex says I could live without the guy and DW works a deal, That's how it is supposed to work and I hope it continues. So now DW has to show some expertise and get us help on the OL. I highly doubt the Eagles called Rex and not Doug.
dave mcbride Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) How much do you think the offensive linemen selections were hand picked by the new offensive line guru of the Jags? I did hate the Bryce Brown trade. Good question; i don't know. Marrone apparently hated the players, if the media is to be believed, but i don't know enough to say. I don't like Marrone, but he actually did do a good job with the jets and saints o-lines, so he does seem to have some expertise. To reiterate, though, i don't know. Edited March 5, 2015 by dave mcbride
Doc Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Well reasoned post. But I think Rexy wants thumpers. Kiko, even if he put on another 8-10 pounds, just isnt the thumper type. He wants collision low crossers.
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