RyanC883 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This year but what about the Dareus & Gilmore contracts next year ? Dareus will be looking for comparable money to what Suh will get this year !! Not even putting Gilmores price tag in there ! WHOOPS forgot about that ... I see your concern, but I think it will be okay. Dareus will look for Suh money, but will not find it. Gilmore may be overpaid in any event and leave. We can replace him. Somebody said something about having an issue. I still don't see one. Thank you for the reality check
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) I just don't get the "cap space isn't and issue" crowd. Of course it's an issue. We need a OG, ROT and possibly a CB & LDE/LB. Then we have a significant core to sign next year. Is it undoable? No. But to shrug it off as not an issue is specious. It's not an issue because no one knows Shady's actual cap number yet. So freaking out about an imagined number, when Shady is going to have to restructure (allowing the Bills to fit him into their long term cap plans) is foolish. Mario will restructure next year most likely as well, freeing up more cash to resign Dareus (who they will resign) and Gilmore (who they will resign). It's not an issue... because it's not an issue. 18m is a TON of cap space. only on this board is 18m a concern or issue. Thank you. I'm right there with you bro ! I hope McCoy says NO & backs out that could be the best for the Bills . He's really good but if he only gives half the effort so he can be traded what's the sense ? We need players that want to be here . Plus with the CJ thing what does that tell Dareus & Gilmore as far as Whaley saying he want s to keep his good players ??? Sure didn't seem like that from where i'm standing !! I think it tells Dareus and Gilmore that Whaley didn't value CJ as much as he values them. You're reaching. Shady will play. He will be motivated. The Bills will still have enough money and flexibility to resign their own starts (Dareus and Gilmore, probably Glenn) when they're up. They also need to resign Bradham and eventually Brown -- which is why Kiko was expendable. They weren't going to pay all three of their LBs top dollar. They were only going to pay one, maybe two. Edited March 4, 2015 by GreggyT
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This year but what about the Dareus & Gilmore contracts next year ? Dareus will be looking for comparable money to what Suh will get this year !! Not even putting Gilmores price tag in there ! WHOOPS forgot about that ... and the cap jumped 10m this year and is expecting to go up even more than that next year.... and thats ignoring anything like structure of deals.
Green Lightning Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 B.c there is no concern... Contract restructures, drafted players and FA. Get it? You can't just name positions and think every one will be filled with expensive players that is just ridiculous... You're right. Great math. You should be in government. Again, is all of this insurmountable? No. Is it a concern. Yes.
Luxy312 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Putting aside the players? How the hell do you think that the players acquired can simply be ignored? They got a top-5 running back in the NFL. They got a veteran quarterback to compete with EJ Manuel, and a nasty starting guard in Incognito. ALL were positions of need. There isn't a ton left at this point. They could still improve on the offensive line and could finally get a tight end better than Scott Chandler, but neither of those are desperate situations. If McCoy doesn't get a contract extension, he'll get paid $9.75 million this year. That's what is eroding some of that cap. That figure will likely go down with a new contract, giving him more guaranteed money. That's an almost certainty. Kiko doesn't need replacing. They had a top-3 defense in the NFL without Kiko last year. At this point, the Bills can almost address their remaining issues in the draft. OK, almost.
billykaykay Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I'm right there with you bro ! I hope McCoy says NO & backs out that could be the best for the Bills . He's really good but if he only gives half the effort so he can be traded what's the sense ? We need players that want to be here . Plus with the CJ thing what does that tell Dareus & Gilmore as far as Whaley saying he want s to keep his good players ??? Sure didn't seem like that from where i'm standing !! I read that if McCoy says no, he loses $3 1/2M of his signing bonus
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 You're right. Great math. You should be in government. Again, is all of this insurmountable? No. Is it a concern. Yes. please outline the numbers that you see that make you concerned - not names and positions. if you come up with reasonable contracts, and realistic projections of the cap that dont line up - then be concerned.
sodbuster Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Jeez, it's like nobody informed Whaley of the trophy we get for having leftover cap space.
BrooklynBills Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Maybe read the post. We have lots of needs and people to sign - like Dareus - soon. Explain to me why there's no concern here? Dareus cap number is already around 8. Maybe it doubles. Won't be a problem. Guaranteed money was always the worry. It won't be with Pegula as owner. I'm right there with you bro ! I hope McCoy says NO & backs out that could be the best for the Bills . He's really good but if he only gives half the effort so he can be traded what's the sense ? We need players that want to be here . Plus with the CJ thing what does that tell Dareus & Gilmore as far as Whaley saying he want s to keep his good players ??? Sure didn't seem like that from where i'm standing !! It tells them "produce and get paid." CJ has 1 good year in the NFL and was 3 years ago.
BillsBackersChicago Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Plus with the CJ thing what does that tell Dareus & Gilmore as far as Whaley saying he want s to keep his good players ??? Sure didn't seem like that from where i'm standing !! It tells them that CJ is not nearly as good a player as they are. Unlike CJ, dareus and Gilmore have numbers that make up the claim that they are great players when healthy.
jsswansonjr Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 With the contracts they can restructure they should be in good position!
What a Tuel Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This year but what about the Dareus & Gilmore contracts next year ? Dareus will be looking for comparable money to what Suh will get this year !! Not even putting Gilmores price tag in there ! WHOOPS forgot about that ... Dareus 8 million is already counted against our cap this year. Take it off the cap next year when he is a free agent and we have another 8 million to work with in signing him. Although I would prefer to sign him long term before all that drama.
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Dareus 8 million is already counted against our cap this year. Take it off the cap next year when he is a free agent and we have another 8 million to work with in signing him. Although I would prefer to sign him long term before all that drama. and truly, even if he takes home 20m in his first year, he may only count 8-10m against the cap, with some ballooning towards the back (post mario). so he could be nearly flat in the short term. couple that with a cap skyrocketing and it gets a whole lot less scary: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/07/cap-could-hit-160-million-in-2016/ Edited March 4, 2015 by NoSaint
Heitz Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 In the past everyone would scream "Ralph is cheap! Cash to the cap!". Now we actually USE some of cap space and we're still doing it wrong? Pegula Is Extravagant!
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 In the past everyone would scream "Ralph is cheap! Cash to the cap!". Now we actually USE some of cap space and we're still doing it wrong? Pegula Is Extravagant!
J-Bo Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 In the past everyone would scream "Ralph is cheap! Cash to the cap!". Now we actually USE some of cap space and we're still doing it wrong? Pegula Is Extravagant! +1
RealityCheck Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 In the past everyone would scream "Ralph is cheap! Cash to the cap!". Now we actually USE some of cap space and we're still doing it wrong? Pegula Is Extravagant! This is a good point, and bodes well for how the remaining 17 million may be used. Is that enough cap room for Manning?
Beef Jerky Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 You're right. Great math. You should be in government. Again, is all of this insurmountable? No. Is it a concern. Yes. Not a concern though...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This is a good point, and bodes well for how the remaining 17 million may be used. Is that enough cap room for Manning? if we wanted to, and he were available, we very much could make it happen
Maddog69 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 If Pegula is (as I expect he is) willing to spend actual $$$, the cap will not be an issue.
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