YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 We just traded for a guy that was going to get cut. Smooth.sometimes certain teams need to do that to avoid having to compete with other teams. If the report is true that mccown was first on their list and cassell second, guessing they didn't want to get into another bidding war with a backup quality QB. It was a low pick and low draft picks don't have a great chance to make this team.
Beerball Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I disagree. If I were Matt Moore, for example, and I was given the choice between the Bills, with Cassel, and the Jets, with Geno (assuming Vick goes elsewhere), I might be more inclined to go with the Jets, because Geno is a train wreck. Also, who is to say that Cassel isn't that very same guy you describe? If there is a better FAQB than Cassel, I want them. So, my original question remains: does the signing of Cassel make it less likely we will get them? My original answer remains: no.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Hope the info isn't right, but I think the two pieces go hand in hand.... Can't resign Hughes and make big moves in FA Then FA will be fun this year. I could see someone like Locker being so cheap that it wouldn't make sense not to. But fair enough. I think we might be surprised what some of these guys sign for, but we'll see
Rocky Landing Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 My original answer remains: no. That wasn't your original answer. Be that as it may, this trade bothers me. I have to believe there is a difference for the player in getting traded, as opposed to negotiating one's own future, as in FA. Does Cassel want to be in Buffalo? (Or, maybe not: maybe Cassel's glad someone grabbed him. Who knows?) And, if this trade makes it less likely that they get their first choice of FAs (which it might), then that sucks, too.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Neither of whom are available. Is he better than Moore, Hoyer, Sanchez, Mallet, or Locker? Yes
Kemp2Warlick Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 John Kryk @JohnKryk 3m3 minutes ago @gregcosell told me: "Cassel will win the job. It probably won’t even be close." Also says Cassel is #Bills GM Doug Whaley's top QB pickup.
Beerball Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 said it before, say it again...do you really want a QB who was afraid of EJ and now Cassel? That wasn't your original answer. Be that as it may, this trade bothers me. I have to believe there is a difference for the player in getting traded, as opposed to negotiating one's own future, as in FA. Does Cassel want to be in Buffalo? (Or, maybe not: maybe Cassel's glad someone grabbed him. Who knows?) And, if this trade makes it less likely that they get their first choice of FAs (which it might), then that sucks, too. Sorry that you couldn't understand what my rhetorical question implied, but when I said "do you really want a QB who was afraid of EJ and now Cassel?" the answer to your question was no, I do not.
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Given they receive two and we get one, I would bank on it being a 3rd or 4th at worst. We will get a 6th and 7th. 3rd seems kinda steep to me. I hope not!
Rocky Landing Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Sorry that you couldn't understand what my rhetorical question implied, but when I said "do you really want a QB who was afraid of EJ and now Cassel?" the answer to your question was no, I do not. I understood what your question implied. It just didn't answer my question. My question was: does this make it harder for us to get another of the FAQBs who may be better options? Is your answer, "there aren't any better options?" Do you think that Cassel is better than Moore, Hoyer, Sanchez, Locker, or Mallet? If not, have we made it harder for us to acquire one of them for the reasons I mentioned? That was my question.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 3rd seems kinda steep to me. I hope not! It's not a third. It's a fifth round pick this year (from Tampa originally, the bills have two fifth round picks this year) and a 7th rounder next year. In exchange the bills get the player and a sixth round pick this year. So they didn't lose any picks this draft, just moved back a round.
Rocky Landing Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 3rd seems kinda steep to me. I hope not! What I read is that we give up a 5th this year, and a 7th in 2016, and we get a 6th.
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 John Kryk @JohnKryk 3m3 minutes ago @gregcosell told me: "Cassel will win the job. It probably won’t even be close." Also says Cassel is #Bills GM Doug Whaley's top QB pickup. Is this the same Greg Cosell who forecast great things for Ryan Nassib? Sounds like a douche.
Beerball Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I understood what your question implied. It just didn't answer my question. My question was: does this make it harder for us to get another of the FAQBs who may be better options? Is your answer, "there aren't any better options?" Do you think that Cassel is better than Moore, Hoyer, Sanchez, Locker, or Mallet? If not, have we made it harder for us to acquire one of them for the reasons I mentioned? That was my question. and my answer remains no. As I said in a followup post QBs do not lack confidence. No, acquiring Cassel will not affect the Bills signing another QB (money aside). If you are also wondering whether I think signing Cassel will make it harder for the Bills to sign another QB (money aside) my answer to that one is no.
The Wiz Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 John Kryk @JohnKryk 3m3 minutes ago @gregcosell told me: "Cassel will win the job. It probably won’t even be close." Also says Cassel is #Bills GM Doug Whaley's top QB pickup. And let the games begin!
Lurker Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Is this the same Greg Cosell who forecast great things for Ryan Nassib? Sounds like a douche. Indeed. The guy's a film producer with good family connections... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Cosell
Rocky Landing Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 and my answer remains no. As I said in a followup post QBs do not lack confidence. No, acquiring Cassel will not affect the Bills signing another QB (money aside). If you are also wondering whether I think signing Cassel will make it harder for the Bills to sign another QB (money aside) my answer to that one is no. Gotcha. BTW- I don't necessarily think confidence has anything to do with it. I would expect a QB who wants to start to go where he has the best chance to start. That doesn't make them "afraid" of competition. That's just following one's self-interest.
QCity Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 sometimes certain teams need to do that to avoid having to compete with other teams. If the report is true that mccown was first on their list and cassell second, guessing they didn't want to get into another bidding war with a backup quality QB. It was a low pick and low draft picks don't have a great chance to make this team. I fully understand the mechanics of trading before FA, the current FA QB landscape, and the chances of low draft picks succeeding. My criticism isn't even based on the quality of the choice, as we've known for a long time now that our QB position was poised to be a dumpster fire this season. If McCown was our first choice and Cassel second, then it's a failure by the front office to land their guy and a panic move to make sure it didn't happen again. I knew we were going to be throwing ~$5M at a sub-par veteran QB, I just didn't think it was necessary to throw draft picks at one as well.
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) 3rd seems kinda steep to me. I hope not! @buffalobills swap their 1st 2015 5th-round pick for @Vikings 2015 6th-rounder and give Min a 2016 7th-rounder for Matt Cassel @NFLonFOX Edited March 5, 2015 by Bills Fan of Maryland
NickelCity Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Well, at least we didn't end up with McCown. If we can shore up the OLine, perhaps cassel can effectively manage a game. We do need to get more talent at guard though.
maddenboy Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 and my answer remains no. As I said in a followup post QBs do not lack confidence. No, acquiring Cassel will not affect the Bills signing another QB (money aside). If you are also wondering whether I think signing Cassel will make it harder for the Bills to sign another QB (money aside) my answer to that one is no. So what you're saying is, yes?
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