jimmy10 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 That's right. Remember folks! The realistic goal this off-season is to end up with something "slightly more" than Orton. Which ain't a hell of a lot. Nobody's doing cartwheels over this, at least not me. What would you have done to magically make a Top 5/10 QB appear in Orchard Park this year?
BuffOrange Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Worse than Sanchez in my opinion, and by a fair amount. But it really doesn't matter much. They're all bad options. He's gotten worse every year of late, and is basically a statue. He did play in the little league world series though, and that's pretty cool. The basic question I ask myself is this: is player X (in this case, Cassell) an upgrade over Orton? I'd say no here. He's the only guy our Wandsteadt Defense played well against, right? To be fair I don't think any of these guys are an upgrade.
KD in CA Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Don't understand this move. He would have been a salary dump and could have picked him up for cheap. Now they inherited a $5 salary for, at best, a backup. Who's to say the Bills would have been the only team interested in him? What makes you think he would command less than $5MM on the open market? Isn't that was Orton got? Why do you think he won't start in Buffalo? Which other QB on the roster has more experience and success? Lmao. After these past two days I am seriously considering giving up on 30 years of being a Bills fan. Maybe I will root for Philly. My gf likes them and they have the coach I wanted. Damn straight! Everyone knows the road to the playoffs was with EJ starting and Spiller resigned to an expensive, long-term deal. Those guys were magic last season!
BillsBackersChicago Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 from the above link: Name G/GS W-L-T Comp. Att. Pct. Yards TD/INT Rating Matt Cassel 91/71 33-38 1397 2369 59 15727 96/70 80.1 Brian Hoyer 32/17 10-7 356 630 56.5 4557 19/19 76.8 Jake Locker 30/23 9-14 408 709 57.5 4967 27/22 79.0 Colt McCoy 33/25 7-18 501 831 60.3 5458 25/23 78.2 Matt Moore 49/25 11-12 452 768 58.9 5342 33/28 79.2 C. Ponder 38/36 14-21-1 632 1057 59.8 6658 38/36 75.9 Mark Sanchez 71/70 37-33 1226 2176 56.3 14510 82/80 74.1 Michael Vick 138/112 59-50-1 1767 3151 56.1 22093 131/87 80.4 Good perspective. Thanks.
TaskerTough Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/updated-projected-cap-space-for-all-2015-nfl-teams-503/ Sportrac has us at a projected $17.7 m in cap space, post Cassel trade. At the very least, I hope whomever is starting next year plays to win, vs playing to protect themselves in retirement (which is selfish, I know). Dead on Dork. Orton was a babysitter. a tepid, unloving babysitter who didnt even say goodbye when mom and dad came home. I want a mother.
Billsguy Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 happy about this....very low cost, cannot wait to see what picks are involved How do you know it's low cost?
BaaadThingsMan Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Not sure why all these "fans" are ready to jump ship and give up on the Bills after however many years of rooting for the team. I'm pumped and encouraged by the aggressive moves Whaley and Team have made this year. After years of sitting back lamenting other teams moves and asking why not us it's our turn to rejoice and celebrate the fact that we are trying to get better. These moves could well flop and blow up in our face but atleast our team us trying to get better and to me that's exciting. Let's Go Bills!!!
Nitro Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 If they get him for a 5th and 7th draft picks, it is a good deal. Cassel did well in 2008 as a game manager for the Pats. They rode the defense to the playoffs. The offense this season is going to be run oriented. The need for a QB to sling the ball all over the field will not be needed. Rex is old school football. Ground and pound, then pass. Cassel will push EJ in camp. If EJ loses, he is done in the NFL. This is the better trade, McCoy is throwing a tantrum and might never play for the Bills. I thought all the excitement on TBD would be next week and the start of FA period.
Fadingpain Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Let me boil down the consensus response for you: Upon first hearing news- "Horrible. WTF are they thinking?" 60 minutes later, "I'm starting to come around on this." 3 hours later, "I really like this move. Not a stud QB, but we weren't going to get one this year anyway. Now we can go into FA and address the OL. Go Bills, in Whaley we trust!" Yep, that's the progression. It probably has something to do with the fact that industry insiders and professionals who do this stuff for a living all day every day might be, for the most part, a move or two ahead of the flock at this site. Just a guess.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Let me boil down the consensus response for you: Upon first hearing news- "Horrible. WTF are they thinking?" 60 minutes later, "I'm starting to come around on this." 3 hours later, "I really like this move." Fixed it a little so this can now be applied to just about every move our FO makes. It's the perfect analysis of the cognitive dissonance for fans being surprised since they cant read the FO's mind. "If I didnt think of it, it must be a bad move!", followed by calming down and coming around with the passing of time. Edited March 4, 2015 by DrDareustein
Nitro Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Nobody's doing cartwheels over this, at least not me. What would you have done to magically make a Top 5/10 QB appear in Orchard Park this year? An act of God.
Billsguy Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 from the above link: Name G/GS W-L-T Comp. Att. Pct. Yards TD/INT Rating Matt Cassel 91/71 33-38 1397 2369 59 15727 96/70 80.1 Brian Hoyer 32/17 10-7 356 630 56.5 4557 19/19 76.8 Jake Locker 30/23 9-14 408 709 57.5 4967 27/22 79.0 Colt McCoy 33/25 7-18 501 831 60.3 5458 25/23 78.2 Matt Moore 49/25 11-12 452 768 58.9 5342 33/28 79.2 C. Ponder 38/36 14-21-1 632 1057 59.8 6658 38/36 75.9 Mark Sanchez 71/70 37-33 1226 2176 56.3 14510 82/80 74.1 Michael Vick 138/112 59-50-1 1767 3151 56.1 22093 131/87 80.4 If there was a Hall of Fame for MEDIOCRE these would be excellent candidates!!! I am amazed how Bills fans find comfort in mediocrity.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Lmao. After these past two days I am seriously considering giving up on 30 years of being a Bills fan. Maybe I will root for Philly. My gf likes them and they have the coach I wanted. This is what's known as addition by subtraction. Our fanbase just got a little stronger, if this were to happen, which it won't. Only in Buffalo could a fan get so upset he leaves, now, after trading for the best RB in the league, hiring the second best defensive mind of his generation as head coach. The previous 15 years were fine... but THIS is where he draws the line
Nuncha Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) BARF. ^^^^ Exactly my thoughts on this one. WTF!!!!! Well I guess its slightly better than bringing in Sancheese. Edited March 4, 2015 by Azucho98
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Let me boil down the consensus response for you: Upon first hearing news- "Horrible. WTF are they thinking?" 60 minutes later, "I'm starting to come around on this." 3 hours later, "I really like this move. Not a stud QB, but we weren't going to get one this year anyway. Now we can go into FA and address the OL. Go Bills, in Whaley we trust!" Yep you nailed that. Emotional gut reaction vs. time & reason
The Wiz Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Only in Buffalo could a fan get so upset he leaves, now, after trading for the best RB in the league, hiring the second best defensive mind of his generation as head coach. The previous 15 years were fine... but THIS is where he draws the line I for one will be extremely upset if the Bills start looking good and random people want to be "Bills" fans. Sickens me.
BuffaloMatt Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Pegs obviously gave te boys the keys to his Cassel! Finally a cleaver response!
Kelly the Dog Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Only in Buffalo could a fan get so upset he leaves, now, after trading for the best RB in the league, hiring the second best defensive mind of his generation as head coach. The previous 15 years were fine... but THIS is where he draws the line Exactly. Bryce Brown and Kyle Orton, sure. But Matt Cassell and LeSean McCoy? I'm gone!!
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