DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 There's still plenty of money to sign O-Linemen, TE, QB, and whatever else they feel they need. Is Gurley better than McCoy? Of course a 2nd Rd RB coming off a knee injury will be better than a guy who was just named the #5 best player in the NFL by his peers. Duh!
Wayne Cubed Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This is my issue with the trade. I can rationalize the skill for skill part. We didn't miss Kiko last year at all. But what the trade also does by proxy is cost is resigning one of our own. Cap space is right around 25 mil, -5 for rookies, 10 for Shady. That leaves us around 10 mil to resign Bradham, Dareus, Glenn, Gilmore. In essence this move may cost us Kiko and one of the above. I think your math is a bit off. The Bills will have $22 million left AFTER trading for McCoy. $3.5 million will go to rookies. Bradham, Dareus, Glenn and Gilmore all don't need to be signed THIS year. In fact none of them need to be signed and put under this years cap numbers. The Bills are looking to sign Hughes, that's about it in terms of there own guys. Add to that, McCoy will be smart to restructure, he has no guaranteed money in 2016. If the Bills are able to restructure his contract that will lower his cap hit AND give him more guaranteed money. The cap is going to go up next year, there will be plenty of room to sign those guys. You know who there probably wouldn't have been room for, if he played to his potential? Alonso. The cap issue is completely overblown.
klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I hope the #billsmafia comes out in huge support, blow up his twitter with positive vibes. There has been plenty of players that were hesitant about playing for Buffalo until they saw what our fan base is like. do you mean the fans that think he is on the decline and not worth the money of his contract? He will like playing where he is paid well and if the team performs well.
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I think your math is a bit off. The Bills will have $22 million left AFTER trading for McCoy. $3.5 million will go to rookies. Bradham, Dareus, Glenn and Gilmore all don't need to be signed THIS year. In fact none of them need to be signed and put under this years cap numbers. The Bills are looking to sign Hughes, that's about it in terms of there own guys. Add to that, McCoy will be smart to restructure, he has no guaranteed money in 2016. If the Bills are able to restructure his contract that will lower his cap hit AND give him more guaranteed money. The cap is going to go up next year, there will be plenty of room to sign those guys. You know who there probably wouldn't have been room for, if he played to his potential? Alonso. The cap issue is completely overblown. We have an estimated $22m left over AFTER McCoy and taking into account rookie signings. So that $3.5 mil is already taken care of. http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/updated-projected-cap-space-for-all-2015-nfl-teams-503/
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 McCoy's season average stats for his past 6 seasons are 1132 rushing yards 7 TD's and 4.6 YPC I like those numbers CBF
Wayne Cubed Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 We have an estimated $22m left over AFTER McCoy and taking into account rookie signings. So that $3.5 mil is already taken care of. http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/updated-projected-cap-space-for-all-2015-nfl-teams-503/ Thanks, couldn't remember if that included it or not.
BuffaloBaumer Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 We heard you the last 20 times. It's a message board ok, I get it. I can't express multiple, different points on the trade. Why don't you stick to football talk instead of insults to people who don't like it. I post fewer than most over the last However many years so relax.
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 And there you go. Cap hit will go down and Shady gets some guarantees. So would such a situation be giving him a couple million less this year, but some guaranteed in 2016-2017? I'm assuming we'd have to offer a decent amount of guaranteed cash for him to take it.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 McCoy's season average stats for his past 6 seasons are 1132 rushing yards, 7 TD's and 4.6 YPC, 380 Rec yards, and 2 rec td's I like those numbers CBF added a couple relevant numbers
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 added a couple relevant numbers Thank you sir! CBF
nucci Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Of course a 2nd Rd RB coming off a knee injury will be better than a guy who was just named the #5 best player in the NFL by his peers. Duh! You're right. Sorry
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Dave, I'm not a huge fan of the trade but I also think the risk is being overblown a bit. Kiko is a great player but perhaps he is a better fit for a team like Philly that features a high-scoring, high-octane offense, and whose defense plays a lot of snaps, often protecting a lead. That's not Rex's vision for the Bills, and I'm ok with it - they want pluggers who can stop the run at the linebacker spots, and Kiko is light in the pants. As for Shady, while I'm VERY skeptical of chasing yet another shiny new RB, he's probably the best or second-best back in the league, with a few more years left at Level Elite. Assuming they're going to be just as aggressive finding a tight end and some guards, this could work out just fine. You may be right. I just feel like I've been burned so many times in the past (after initially cheering a trade) that I can't help but be skeptical. Anyway, I hope McCoy lights it up. On the bright side, the certified genius Bill Belichick traded a second round pick for a 29-year old Corey Dillon who had already rushed for over 8000 yards. That worked out well, at least in the very short term. Dillon was a huge part of why the Pats went 14-2 in 2004 and won the SB. He had 1,635 rushing yards and 13 TDs. He had a couple more seasons as a JAG after that, but he wasn't useless. Edited March 4, 2015 by dave mcbride
klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 How about this? Keep Alonso, draft Gurley (or another RB), save 8 million in salary and spend it on the offensive line? You people realize that Bryce Brown looked like a star in that Philly offense too? McCoy has had the benefit of a good to great offensive line, and excellent offensive coaching (Reid and now Chip) his whole career. He won't have that here and when he's being outplayed by Freddie, there will be some sad people on this board. This trade sucks on so many levels it's not even funny. Whaley needs to go. The guy is as clueless as he is reckless. Let's assume the Bills try this strategy - what happens if some other team drafts Gurley before the Bills do, you do know that might happen, you don't get to draft whatever player you want. There is a draft order.... We have well over 20 million to spend on the line. They will probably only sign one high priced lineman.
nucci Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This is my issue with the trade. I can rationalize the skill for skill part. We didn't miss Kiko last year at all. But what the trade also does by proxy is cost is resigning one of our own. Cap space is right around 25 mil, -5 for rookies, 10 for Shady. That leaves us around 10 mil to resign Bradham, Dareus, Glenn, Gilmore. In essence this move may cost us Kiko and one of the above. Cap went up $10M this year.
Wayne Cubed Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 So would such a situation be giving him a couple million less this year, but some guaranteed in 2016-2017? I'm assuming we'd have to offer a decent amount of guaranteed cash for him to take it. I think they would extend his deal out by a couple years. Give him more guaranteed and spread the cap hit out.
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I think they would extend his deal out by a couple years. Give him more guaranteed and spread the cap hit out. I think they would extend his deal out by a couple years. Give him more guaranteed and spread the cap hit out. What's his contract like right now? All I know is ~$10m this year, and something unguaranteed and lesser in following years? Is he on a 3 year deal currently? (Sorry if this was posted, but this thread is long haha)
eball Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 How about this? Keep Alonso, draft Gurley (or another RB), save 8 million in salary and spend it on the offensive line? You people realize that Bryce Brown looked like a star in that Philly offense too? McCoy has had the benefit of a good to great offensive line, and excellent offensive coaching (Reid and now Chip) his whole career. He won't have that here and when he's being outplayed by Freddie, there will be some sad people on this board. This trade sucks on so many levels it's not even funny. Whaley needs to go. The guy is as clueless as he is reckless. You do realize Greg Roman is the OC -- widely considered a run game genius? Post less.
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This is my issue with the trade. I can rationalize the skill for skill part. We didn't miss Kiko last year at all. But what the trade also does by proxy is cost is resigning one of our own. Cap space is right around 25 mil, -5 for rookies, 10 for Shady. That leaves us around 10 mil to resign Bradham, Dareus, Glenn, Gilmore. In essence this move may cost us Kiko and one of the above. we have a TON of space. if you really got into the structure of our roster and the projections of the cap... cap space is little to no concern currently. any of those guys will be a decision based on value, not limitations of our space. What's his contract like right now? All I know is ~$10m this year, and something unguaranteed and lesser in following years? Is he on a 3 year deal currently? (Sorry if this was posted, but this thread is long haha) essentially a 3 year 25m deal with nothing guaranteed is what we are picking up. its 7 and 8 for the years following this
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 From NFL.com article on trade winners and losers: "Bills fans: It's been a while since they have felt this relevant. Their defensive line is the best in the league, and they have added Rex Ryan and LeSean McCoy before free agency even starts. Time will tell if the Bills look back fondly on the deal; we believe it could be a rare win-win. It undeniably makes the Bills more interesting." Wasn't too long ago when many were decrying the fact that the Bills were no longer relevant nationally. Now, with the Pegula purchase, Rex hire and McCoy trade, one could argue that they're on Sportscenter more than 95% of the other franchises.
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Cap went up $10M this year. might even go up as much as 15 next year according to early projections.
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